I think part of why dive players get so defensive is that these heroes take a ton of time to actually learn, while the things that shut them down are usually way easier to execute. You can spend hours learning combos, movement and how to find the tiniest opening just for the answer to be Thing existing nearby, C&D freeze or one defensive cooldown. Those things SHOULD counter dive, but there’s definitely an asymmetry when learning the hero is much harder than learning how to shut them down. And even when a diver is doing their job (forcing cooldowns, dragging attention, breaking support LOS) that barely shows on the scoreboard, so the second things go wrong everyone assumes they’re doing bad. Also supports and divers are naturally gonna hate each other a little. One wants to freely use their cooldowns and keep LOS on their team to heal them, the other literally exists to stop them from doing that. I’m not even a real dive player, I just wish people were a little more sympathetic towards them. Maybe if we stopped treating every struggling diver like they’re griefing and try to cooperate with them, they’d be a little less defensive too Doesn’t mean every dive player is good or innocent, but I do think people underestimate how frustrating that role can be.