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Second Punic War: The Costs of War: Rome
Much is made of the legendary Roman manpower but the ability to field so many men came at a real cost...
From Livy:
The deportation of the soldiers to Sicily, most of whom belonged to the Latin and the allied nationalities, very nearly caused a great rising; so often do small occasions involve serious consequences.
Meetings were held amongst the Latins and the allied communities in which they complained loudly that for ten years they had been drained by levies and war-taxes; every year they fought only to sustain a great defeat, those who were not killed in battle were carried off by sickness. A fellow-citizen who was enlisted by the Romans was more lost to them than one who had been made prisoner by the Carthaginians, for the latter was sent back to his home without ransom; the former was sent out of Italy into what was really exile rather than military service.
The Romans saw right away that this attitude could lead to complete defeat of the Republic, and the Senate deserves enormous credit for keeping the allies on side and sending fresh soldiers every year to sustain the armies of Rome!
It is also a reminder that Hannibal came closer to breaking the Roman alliance system than he is often given credit. On such things hang the fate of the greatest war of the Classical world.
Dare we call them Basileus?
‘Caesar, having got the upper hand of his
rivals, possessed himself of the sovereignty, which he strengthened, systematised, and secured, and, while preserving the form and name of the republic, made himself the absolute ruler of all. In this way the government, from that time to this, has been a monarchy; but they do not call their rulers kings, out of respect, as I think, for the ancient oath. They call them imperators, that being the title also of those who formerly held the chief command of the armies.
Yet they are very kings in fact.’
- Appian
Fully endorsed!
This is Livy’s full argument on whether Alexander would have defeated the Romans after discussing the greatness of Papirius Cursor:
‘No age has been more prolific in great and noble characters than the one in which he lived, and even in that age there was no one whose single arm did more to sustain the commonwealth. Had Alexander the Great, after subjugating Asia, turned his attention to Europe, there are many who maintain that he would have met his match in Papirius.
Nothing can be thought to be further from my aim since I commenced this task than to digress more than is necessary from the order of the narrative or by embellishing my work with a variety of topics to afford pleasant resting-places, as it were, for my readers and mental relaxation for myself. The mention, however, of so great a king and commander induces me to lay before my readers some reflections which I have often made when I have proposed to myself the question, "What would have been the results for Rome if she had been engaged in war with Alexander? "The things which tell most in war are the numbers and courage of the troops, the ability of the commanders, and Fortune, who has such a potent influence over human affairs, especially those of war.
Any one who considers these factors either separately or in combination will easily see that as the Roman empire proved invincible against other kings and nations, so it would have proved invincible against Alexander. Let us, first of all, compare the commanders on each side. I do not dispute that Alexander was an exceptional general, but his reputation is enhanced by the fact that he died while still young and before he had time to experience any change of fortune. Not to mention other kings and illustrious captains, who afford striking examples of the mutability of human affairs, I will only instance Cyrus, whom the Greeks celebrate as one of the greatest of men. What was it that exposed him to reverses and misfortunes but the length of his life, as recently in the case of Pompey the Great?
Let me enumerate the Roman generals - not all out of all ages but only those with whom as consuls and Dictators Alexander would have had to fight - M. Valerius Corvus, C. Marcius Rutilus, C. Sulpicius, T. Manlius Torquatus, Q. Publilius Philo, L. Papirius Cursor, Q. Fabius Maximus, the two Decii, L. Volumnius, and Manlius Curius. Following these come those men of colossal mould who would have confronted him if he had first turned his arms against Carthage and then crossed over into Italy later in life. Every one of these men was Alexander's equal in courage and ability, and the art of war, which from the beginning of the City had been an unbroken tradition, had now grown into a science based on definite and permanent rules. It was thus that the kings conducted their wars, and after them the Junii and the Valerii, who expelled the kings, and in later succession the Fabii, the Quinctii, and the Cornelii. It was these rules that Camillus followed, and the men who would have had to fight with Alexander had seen Camillus as an old man when they were little more than boys.
Alexander no doubt did all that a soldier ought to do in battle, and that is not his least title to fame. But if Manlius Torquatus had been opposed to him in the field, would he have been inferior to him in this respect, or Valerius Corvus, both of them distinguished as soldiers before they assumed command? Would the Decii, who, after devoting themselves, rushed upon the enemy, or Papirius Cursor with his vast physical courage and strength? Would the clever generalship of one young man have succeeded in baffling the whole senate, not to mention individuals, that senate of which he, who declared that it was composed of kings, alone formed a true idea?’
(Continued below)
You can take this in so many ways. I offer three: Trajan for sheer accomplishment, Heraclius for saving the West, and Constantine V for turning the tide against Islam.
I respect Augustus too much to call him Emperor.
This, like so much of the show, makes no sense at all.
Damon Lindelof explique la signification de la réplique de Hal “I hope I mattered” :
« Ce que Hal veut dire, c’est : “J’espère avoir compté pour toi.” et ce message s’adresse directement à John. Ce n’est pas “J’espère avoir compté parce que j’ai sauvé le monde d’une putain d’étoile de mer extraterrestre géante”. Ce n’est pas “Je veux qu’on érige des statues à mon effigie. Je veux que mon nom figure sur un arc ou un monument”. C’est simplement : “J’espère qu’on se souviendra de moi et que j’ai joué un rôle important dans ta vie.” »
There is not a lot of evidence that Hannibal was driven by a burning hatred of Rome. Great post!
A Decision for Hannibal
Hannibal’s crossing of the Alps with his army and the subsequent invasion of Italy are often viewed as acts driven by the Carthaginians’, and particularly the Barca family’s, desire for revenge following their defeat in the First Punic War.
The march into Italy and the crossing of the Alps seem like the beginning of a Blitzkrieg-style campaign designed to capitalize on that desire for revenge, but the reality is quite different from the narrative handed down to us by Roman historiography. I am basing my account on the chronology proposed by Professor Dexter Hoyos (Hannibal’s Dynasty: Power and Politics in the Western Mediterranean, 247–183 BC, 2003) for these events.
After destroying Saguntum, Hannibal traveled to Carthago Nova, where he learned that a Roman embassy had declared war on the Carthaginian Senate in early 218 BC. Hannibal is believed to have set out with his army toward Gaul between late May and early June, reaching the region by late August.
The delay in reaching Gaul was due to the fact that Hannibal was keeping a close eye on what the Romans were doing with the two consular armies they had raised in Italy for the war. He knew that the Romans were torn between two options: sending two consular armies against him in Iberia, or sending a single consular army to keep him tied down in Iberia while the other consular army prepared to invade Africa.
When he learned that the consul Sempronius Longus was preparing the fleet in Sicily to cross to Africa, Hannibal pressed on, leaving Gaul behind to enter Cisalpine Gaul and eventually crossing the Alps between late October and September of 218 BC.
Thus, the invasion of Italy and the Roman territories was not the ultimate goal of Hannibal’s campaigns. The invasion of Italy was a response intended to prevent the Romans from invading Africa, just as they had done in the First Punic War. And Hannibal succeeded.
The war would be fought on Italian soil for the next seventeen years, although, in the end, the Carthaginian Senate failed to capitalize on the opportunities Hannibal provided, preferring instead to focus its efforts on other war fronts. It was a decision that would cost Carthage dearly, but that is another story.
Punic War: Iberia (Barca v. Scipio)
The most important battle you have never heard of was fought on the Erbo River in Iberia and may well have decided the fate of the war. It was the battle of Ibera and this is the story of that battle. 🧵
The Battle:
Gnaeus and Publius Scipio probably didn't know quite how dire the situation was for Rome, but knew that if Hasdrubal linked up with Hannibal in Italy Rome's outlook was dim.
So in northern Spain near the town of Ibera, around 25-30,000 Carthaginians met roughly 25,000 Romans and their Iberian allies in battle.
Gnaeus and Publius (who had been outmaneuvered and beaten by Hannibal quite easily, in the Italian campaign) were good commanders and charged their infantry right up the middle of Hasdrubal's line. The recently recruited Iberian infantry seeing the Romans coming right at theme sensibly fled.
The Lybian and Punic infantry was made of sterner stuff and stood firm this allowed Hasdrubal to encircle the Roman force with his cavalry and attack the Romans in the rear and on the flanks.
The Scipio brothers were not Varro and Paulus at Cannae however and they pushed through the gap and reformed their lines under a hail of missiles. Hasdrubal saved what infantry he could and escaped with his cavalry that had hardly been bloodied the Romans had won!
Aftermath:
The Roman victory was a disaster for Hannibal. Hasdrubal himself recovered; Mago, his brother, was sent to him instead of reinforcing Hannibal, and the war continued by Hannibal's hope of immediate reinforcement that would allow him to finish Rome off was lost. This was the first but not last time that the Scipio family would save Rome.
The sources say the losses were heavy on both sides, with no figures given. If we hazard a guess, we could say that the Scipios lost 3 to 5,000 men and Hasdrubal lost twice that. Just to give it a sense of scale. The war would continue with the Barca brothers against the Scipio brothers, and it was going to be a fight to the death.
This is far more worthy of the noble prize…
Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and the stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content.” Conan the Cimmerian, Queen of the Black Coast by Robert E. Howard
A poem by Anne Carson, who was awarded the 2026 Nobel Prize in Literature. Read it in full: newyorker.com/magazine/2001/…
A true wonder of the ancient world. I never tire of this story!
"We knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. For on earth there is no such splendor or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it. We know only that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations. For we cannot forget that beauty."
Kievan envoys 987 AD upon experiencing service in the Hagia Sophia for the first time.
A treasure to discover! Get this as soon as you can.
Cannae was one of the most important and defining battles in the history not only of Rome, but of the entire Western world. The genius of a man who changed the way war was waged was on full display in the valleys of Cannae on August 2, 216 BC, when he faced the Roman legions, more than eighty thousand men.
I’ve always been fascinated by this historical event, not only because of its significance, but also because of Hannibal’s ability to get his men to follow him onto the battlefield against an enemy that vastly outnumbered them, and whom they had to face by adopting a counterintuitive formation. I believe it’s an event that’s always worth narrating.
Many years ago, when I was still a naive history student, I decided that I wanted to devote myself to Carthaginian history and bring it to life for people through historical fiction. Cannae: Hannibal’s Masterpiece is just a small part of this project, but I approached it with great rigor, striving to recreate as accurately as possible what happened and what the key figures experienced on that historic day.
That’s why I’m very pleased to announce that my narrative, Cannae: Hannibal’s Masterpiece, is now available in its new edition on Amazon and through its KDP program. For those who are already paid subscribers to SP Historian, you’ll be able to enjoy each of the parts published last year with a new edition, which includes corrections and a new map.
I invite you to read Cannae: Hannibal’s Masterpiece and immerse yourself in the chaos of one of the most important battles in history: a.co/d/0bajZSc2
Anything from the Carthaginian point of view would be spectacular. What would you choose?
Antioch: the Crucible that forged the Crusader Army
The March:
The Crusade swept all before it the Turks fled before the undeated Crusaders. Cities and towns surrendered to the Crusade and Tacticus garrisoned them in the name of the Empire.
After those happy days the Crusade outdistanced any supply chain and were in a near waterless desert. The Impeiral infrastructure that once allowed armies to cover this road without a problem was gone and the Crusaders suffered.
The sources tell us soldiers sold their arms and armor to survive and many died in fact by the time this march had finished as many as half of the 100,000 men and women of the Crusade had given up, died or been captured.
Raymond of Toulose sent 500 men ahead hoping their reputation had caused the Turks to flee Antioch as well but it was not to be. The Turks were preparing for a fight!
The long beared, big eared and very formidable Yaghi Siyan with around 5,000 men had been struggling to build his own kingdom at Antioch, that had only fallen to the Turks 12 years ago. Now facing around 50,000 Crusaders he sent his sons to call on his previous rivals for aid.
Tancred had secured the supply route, Baldwin had secured a safe hinterland now the main Crusader army had to bring down one of the best defended cities of the Classical world!
Here at the walls of Antioch legends would form heroes would be made and the most impressive army of the Middle Ages would be forged in the crucible of war!
With only a hundred knights, Baldwin forges a kingdom for the Crusaders!
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Adventures in Cilicia!
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