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All data is valuable, all evidence is statistical, all explanation is diachrony, all inquiry is permissible. Doing Uralic (pre)historical linguistics.

University of Helsinki
Joined January 2022
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Wonder if I should start keeping some sort of a log of all the duplicate references I run into on Glottolog, because they're sometimes common indeed. Here's a language (Yemsa) with 48 references, of which by my count 9 duplicates (7 shown)
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Instead of direct methodological development for deep-reaching reconstruction methods, I bet we also need to first work out some old families in detail with intermediate-step reconstructions, and use precedents from them of *well-known* 10kya-deep relationships as a control.
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How common are, say, Chadic–Cushitic parallels that are going to turn out to be trans-Sahel WanderwΓΆrter or disprovable accidents? Against these, what's going to remain actually standing eventually?
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Will we end up with a detailed picture of PAA after cleanup and consistent inclusion of data from all across the family, or will it be only a tiny number of truly reliable reconstructions? Too early to call; but either result would have general implications.
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The current methodological edge in linguistic reconstruction might be: how deep reconstruction steps are reasonable? We can in fact e.g. reconstruct Uralic in two tiers of ca. 2500…3000 years each. Could we usefully push this to 4000 or 5000 years?
The crucial factor is IMO not absolute time depth but "branch depth". If we compared two languages separated for 10k years, very few people believe this would be reconstructible. If we had 32 languages and could reconstruct intermediate tiers every 2000 years, might be doable.
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Places like the Americas quite probably have linguistic relationships of this shape lurking about that haven't been consistently identified, if at all. We probably know most of the 4000–5000-year-old relationships there but beyond that it gets much sparser.
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Probably won't happen directly by doing any "extra special" analysis tho when given only one or two cases of a putative sound correspondence; I think it'd have to involve e.g. "evidence distillation" by more consistent loanword and derivative cleanup. But only time will tell.
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Muted a guy in the global-sound-symbolism comments for overconfident AI slop. No objection to people using this to get ahead in independent research but people really need to understand that, in most fields, LLMs have no expertise and will suck up to any nonsense you might invent
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Not fooling *yourself* is more critical than ever when you can summon robot lackeys to invent some plausible-sounding nonsense in agreement. This seems to be the main problem some people call "AI psychosis" which, most of the time, is not remotely actually psychosis.
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I believe people who really get good mileage out of AI for research assistance are aware of this and use specifically prompts to steer away from this error mode, specifically requesting pushback or criticism too. (And of course, do not blanket-dismiss human experts as outdated.)
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Of course some other macroareal roots I think would be better approached as mainly just old areal borrowings, like "pan-African" β™―kuru for 'turtle'; turtle shells are a trade item useful for crafts! β€” & I wonder if we could loop into this somehow also Late PIE *kar- 'crab'.
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This phenomenon keeps mystifying me, because yeah that doesn't look like a natural Wanderwort and even within families these roots tend to be somewhat irregular; but in languages with actual ideophones I've never seen one quite to this effect for 'fly, flap, buzz etc.'
Why do languages separated by thousands of kilometers have strikingly similar words for "to fly"? From the Pontic Steppe to Southeast Asia, reconstructed roots like *par-, *per-, and *pΙ™r- keep appearing. Ancient linguistic connections, pure coincidence, or sound symbolism?
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Closest we have in Finnish are _lÀpÀttÀÀ, lepattaa_ 'to flap, wave' and _rÀpistÀ, rÀpyttÀÀ_ 'to flap, wag' but these seem to be normal lexical roots (latter probably akin to Hungarian _repül_ 'to fly' etc.), not ideophones.
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(This Hesburger fact brought to you by a long-suffering Carrols loyalist. IYKYK)
Replying to @NotisAlarik
Etymology reminder: I've seen people think _Hes-_ would be contracted from He(l)s(inki), but this is incorrect: it is a distinctly Turku-originating chain, and comes from _Hessu_, a common nickname for Heikki (the Finnish rendition of Henrik), after chain founder Heikki Salmela.
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As usual, a lot of references to wanting to find things like a "glorious" past or "uplifting" the nation. Why _does_ the past need to do this? Is there not anything, or enough things, people find in modern Hungary that would be worth taking pride in?
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"We descend from illiterate hunter-gatherers" is, besides, not any kind of a specific embarrassment, it is the universal human condition. Civilization is a recent development; anatomically modern humans spent hundreds of millennia in wilderness before drifting into the Neolithic.
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And so it's hard for me to see what'd be cause for worry over a few centuries here or there in when do people join the project. Instead: what is currently not going the Hungarians' way, that leads them to turn inwards to seek approval instead from history?
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Reading a new article from Laakso once again outlining pseudohistorical paradigms in Hungary. These sort of works are informative but I find they usually fail to ask actually relevant questions. Namely, *why* do Hungarians dislike a Uralic linguistic relationship?
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