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London, England
Joined February 2011
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Replying to @PFMDwithPatient
Replying to @KerenLL
At time Invariably wrong symptoms Invariably wrong nature of symptoms Invariably wrong location of symptoms Invariably wrong order Invariably wrong priorities Invariably wrong urgency Invariably wrong department
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And none of these make the person saying it eg trying or claiming to be a clinician As the person with the direct experience of symptoms I kept being 'corrected' at time to what I meant, whereas I meant what I described You don't need even medical terminology to describe
Think in a different but still healthcare context the issue can be where clinicians see patients as trying to be clinicians, rather than a patient 'heard' Don't know how many times it can be necessary to say eg it's our bodies, it's our symptoms, it's our usual and our not usual
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So ‘Do No Harm’ in a budget context can have aspects in common with Do No Harm in a healthcare context
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And would add, in case not self evident, that this applies not only to dentistry but to the 'rest of' healthcare also 'We cannot possibly comment about teeth' OK, but can you at least situate them in the mouth, which is in the body
Oh This Find kind of pearly whites 'versus' non pearly whites such a misdirect Having had experience had at time and via which teeth treated almost as other worldly and certainly as nothing to do with 'rest of healthcare' pearly whites last thing on which would wish focus to be
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The System has more than a part in this also NHS and Private My experience and that of others that eg both attentive healthcare and defensive healthcare can build on themselves
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Patients can be passed onwards, but not forwards, in any area of healthcare And definitely in both sectors
Replying to @DrVoles
Know am broken record on this (and so much else) but will risk saying again that where this is an issue it is 'not' just the NHS
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There should never be a ranking table as it doesn’t help That said it can seem often that the interval between late 2019 and Spring 2020 was a bonanza time for securing long term systemic health damage
Replying to @CounsellingSam
Between late November 2019 and April 2020 my entire health changed Via multiple stages of not being believed/reflected regarding what I was actually describing, 'why' I was so concerned, or what was usual for me and what really wasn't Regardless of sector
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Definitely still ok And a massive improvement on the ‘inverted commas’ inflection that came for too long with any pronunciation of Long Covid
Replying to @KerenLL @Oldboatie
I still don’t know how to pronounce it though
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It can never be repeated too many times that a patient has two battles in this The one with actual and worsening symptoms ‘and’ the one with (not) being heard At the same time
Together with compromising your health, not being believed and reflected in what you are actually describing and why you are describing it can eat away at your identity and your credibility Nothing to do with health sector And a completely terrible experience
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Together with compromising your health, not being believed and reflected in what you are actually describing and why you are describing it can eat away at your identity and your credibility Nothing to do with health sector And a completely terrible experience
Personally I rank the sustained experience of not being believed, even about what symptoms and pain not even slightly like, together with having to start over with new clinicians, and being heard less each time, as the most betraying and profoundly stressful experience of my life
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Personally I rank the sustained experience of not being believed, even about what symptoms and pain not even slightly like, together with having to start over with new clinicians, and being heard less each time, as the most betraying and profoundly stressful experience of my life
‘It sounds like what you're describing is kind of like a domino effect, where one thing triggers another, which triggers another, which triggers another, which makes it so hard to treat, right?’ Sequelae, and sequelae of sequelae …
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‘It sounds like what you're describing is kind of like a domino effect, where one thing triggers another, which triggers another, which triggers another, which makes it so hard to treat, right?’ Sequelae, and sequelae of sequelae …
Grateful to @NPR for the chance to talk about how stress and infections like COVID can stir dormant viruses in our bodies, and what that may mean for our immune system. Still much to learn, and I’m thankful to my team and colleagues for their work 🎧 npr.org/2026/10/23/nx-s1-598…
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My second thought was that having conveyed to clinicians that had tooth then more teeth becoming necrotic (via alarming stages of pain then lost sensation) I was prescribed 'lifestyle changes', and CBT
My first thought on reading term 'Social Prescribing' was to wonder what it means
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And think all sorts of sides of this same coin eg 'MUS' coming, at times with startling ease, to mean 'therefore we will work on basis issue not happening' And eg 'if we can't (yet) cure/treat best not to diagnose' Think latter can be divide between patients and clinicians
Replying to @NeleHelena
Yes think this is fundamental And an 'I don't know' or even 'I am not sure' 'so' issue is (therefore) psychological is not in fact saying 'I don't know' at all
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There can be tendency to suppose patients can get 'upset' by psychologising of what is not psychological because it's 'insulting' Would say this literally beside point Point is that it can give no chance at all to related care/related action And be insulting because of this
Replying to @PaulGadsden82
I don't suffer from ME but relate completely to eg the idea that to treat as psychological what definitely isn't has the capacity to do and be so much worse than putting patient back to square one It can be a complete shut down of related action while actual symptoms worsening
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If 'Lessons will be learned' and 'Lessons have been learned' are to remain as standard responses surely they need to come with an explanation or demonstration of what this looks like eg What has been learned? Which part of healthcare has learned it? How do we know it is working?
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All between late November 2019 and April 2020
As ever mean this literally Also literally meant eg: blood supply, necrotic, leached, lost sensation, tooth, more teeth, temperature change, skin suddenly thinned, new high colour on cheeks, new and sudden loss of usual muscle power in legs Everything described literally meant
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As ever mean this literally Also literally meant eg: blood supply, necrotic, leached, lost sensation, tooth, more teeth, temperature change, skin suddenly thinned, new high colour on cheeks, new and sudden loss of usual muscle power in legs Everything described literally meant
Perhaps there can be Age Biological age Age with Long Covid
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Perhaps there can be Age Biological age Age with Long Covid
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Fine to call it sequelae also Doesn’t detract from point
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This alongside eg non sequiturs like ‘People can have necrotic teeth for years without issue’ And ‘Patients can still have the pain after root canals’ last straw
Replying to @KerenLL
What I was so emphatic about was ‘that’ more teeth were becoming necrotic ‘that’ this accompanied by leached sensation was beyond alarming ‘that’ my gums changed colour ‘that’ the lost sensation even more alarming than the pain
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