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Retrieving from oblivion the antiquities of the old kingdom, where the sun sets and the divine awakens. Personal account: @FCMart1n

Joined March 2025
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Reasons to lump Callaecian and Lusitanian together: >Same onomastics. >Same toponymy. >Same gods. >Same Celtic and pre-Celtic strata. >Same recorded pre-Latin language. Reasons to differentiate Callaecian and Lusitanian: >"Bro, Galicia sounds like Galatian/Gaelic/Gaulish."
Replying to @EzKordem
>There is zero evidence of a "Gallaecian language" distinct from Lusitanian. Neither was Hispano-Celtic, as neither was Celtic to begin with. >Cantabria as a mixed Celto-Vasconic area makes no sense at all. nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/20…
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>P-Celtic/Gallo-Brittonic emerges in central Alps, becomes Hallstatt prestige speech. >La Tène emerges ~450 BC, peripheral & core Celts re-form a cultural koiné, P-Celtic spreads through it. >Peripheral La Tène Celts continue carrying Q-Celtic, including to Ireland.
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My current view on the Celtic westward expansion: >By ~1000 BC, Celtic still limited to central and eastern France; Atlantic cultures NOT Celtic yet. >RSFO group peaks; Q-Celtic infiltrates Languedoc-Iberia (Proto-Celtiberians) and the Channel/MMN area (Proto-Gaels)… (+)
Bc Welsh and Gaelic are ~3000 years apart, which implies more divergence than, e.g., French and Romanian, which are mutually unintelligible too. Also, imo: >Gaelic comes from a Proto-Celtic influx into the Channel area by the LBA. >Welsh comes from Gaulish influence by the LIA.
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Replying to @lapalemort
I'm still waiting for a response to this from people in the trenches of Celtic Bell Beakers. nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/21…
Replying to @realPaulConroy
If u claim that Irish & Brittonic evolved from the Bell Beaker language separately in Ireland & the Alps, u need a context of linguistic unity between both regions that excludes other Bell Beaker-derived areas, such as Italic, Lusitanian, & Venetic. Which one are u thinking of?
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Replying to @lapalemort
I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting that the earliest Celtic intrusion into Britain occurred by 1000 BC, it was ancestral to Gaelic, (Gallo-)Brittonic entered later as mature developments in the La Tène koiné, and all this involved migration and political domination.
My current view on the Celtic westward expansion: >By ~1000 BC, Celtic still limited to central and eastern France; Atlantic cultures NOT Celtic yet. >RSFO group peaks; Q-Celtic infiltrates Languedoc-Iberia (Proto-Celtiberians) and the Channel/MMN area (Proto-Gaels)… (+)
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My current view on the Celtic westward expansion: >By ~1000 BC, Celtic still limited to central and eastern France; Atlantic cultures NOT Celtic yet. >RSFO group peaks; Q-Celtic infiltrates Languedoc-Iberia (Proto-Celtiberians) and the Channel/MMN area (Proto-Gaels)… (+)
Bc Welsh and Gaelic are ~3000 years apart, which implies more divergence than, e.g., French and Romanian, which are mutually unintelligible too. Also, imo: >Gaelic comes from a Proto-Celtic influx into the Channel area by the LBA. >Welsh comes from Gaulish influence by the LIA.
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Why the Duffaits group from central-western France could have been Celtic as early as the Middle Bronze Age: nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/20…
To clarify, Duffaits is a MBA hybrid cultural group between Atlantic (non-Celtic) and Continental (Celtic) influences. Pottery is more Continental-prone, metalwork more Atlantic. So I see Duffaits as a vector of Celticization, but wouldn't venture to say to what extent… (1/4)🧵
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Why P-Celtic emerged in the central Alps (plus another thread linked at the end of this, dealing why P-Celtic emerged around 1000 BC and how it became the Hallstatt prestige speech): nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/20…
1. River and tribe names derived from *sekwan- support that P-Celtic emerged outside central Gaul, in Alpine areas in close contact with Italic. 2. Adding the Quariates (unless it is a Ligurian rather a Celtic name) would also exclude southern Gaul from the P-Celtic Urheimat…
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Ireland was one of the richest, densest and most advanced Bronze Age European societies besides the Aegean. Big reasons to exclude it could be Celticized at that time. But by the Iron Age you have: societal collapse + huge foreign intrusion (La Tène). Put two and two together.
Replying to @Lethescholar
I would group Brythonic, Gaulish, Italic and Venetic as one cluster of related dialects. Lusitanian development may have been influenced by early Goidelic from Ireland. Recent research postulates that Ireland’s population may have been 3-4 million in the Bronze Age, one of the most densely populated areas of Europe in fact. You have a small amount of Y-DNA R-DF27 on the South Coast of Ireland and also in Western Iberia. So a migration by boat from Ireland would make sense.
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Ireland influenced abroad during the Bronze Age? Absolutely. Nothing to do with Celts. Proto-Celtic was still forming in central Europe when early Bronze Age pre-Celtic Irish traded this goldwork in Portugal: nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/19…
Gold lunula with corresponding solar disks from Cabeceiras de Basto, northern Portugal, ca. 2000 BC. A unique testimony to Gallaico-Irish connections in the Early Bronze Age — and perhaps to the materiality of the Milesian legend.
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Why La Tène was Gaelic in Ireland: nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/21…
WHY LA TÈNE WAS GAELIC IN IRELAND Yes, my point could sound odd, as La Tène is mainly associated to P-Celtic Gaulish and the ancestors of Brittonic, not Q-Celtic Gaelic. But don't assume La Tène = P-Celtic. That's WRONG, especially when dealing with early La Tène… (1/5)🧵
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WHY LA TÈNE WAS GAELIC IN IRELAND Yes, my point could sound odd, as La Tène is mainly associated to P-Celtic Gaulish and the ancestors of Brittonic, not Q-Celtic Gaelic. But don't assume La Tène = P-Celtic. That's WRONG, especially when dealing with early La Tène… (1/5)🧵
Replying to @Lethescholar
How could the La Tène Celts have introduced Gaelic, given that Gaelic is a Q-Celtic language, while the La Tène Celts spoke a P-Celtic language? It seems more plausible to me that Gaelic arrived during the Bronze Age.
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Take Champagne, part of the old Manche-Mer du Nord cultural group. Its dialect MUST have been something ancestral or at least very close to Gaelic. From these northern peripheries, the La Tène koiné was structured: peripheries were reunited once again with the centre… (+)
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Language convergence occurred LATER. P-Celtic/Gallo-Brittonic only gradually spread through the La Tène koiné ONCE it was created. Therefore, early La Tène in the Channel area and Britain was, and could only have been, GAELIC. So it was in Ireland. /END
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You can find a lot of lists of Asturian tribes on the internet, but I shall take the liberty of referring to my thesis: academia.edu/44493528/_2020_…
Replying to @Lethescholar
Any list of those Astures tribes available?
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The river Lima or Limia in Galicia & Portugal was also called Lethe in Antiquity. The Romans associated it with an underworld river of Greek mythology of the same name. Modern Celticists argue it was instead related to Litavis. Which option do u prefer? Some keys below…🧵(1/4)
Litavis/Litauī was also the name a Gallic earth-goddess known from votive inscriptions in eastern Gaul, where she appears together with her partner "Cicolluis", equated with Mars. Litauī appears to be cognate with the name of the Vedic earth-goddess Pṛthivī.
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It was said that whoever crossed the Galician and Greek Lethe would lose their memory. So the idea of an Indo-European cognate shared by Greek and Galaico-Lusitanian is very tempting. Not to mention: what if Greek and Galician Lethe and Celtic Litavis were all related?... (+)
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Perhaps something to link to early Celtic influences on Greece: a mythological place associated with the westernmost edge of the world, whose name was brought in the heroic age by western barbarians. /END nitter.cf/Lethescholar/status/20…
This is actually a great take. I would add one detail to the impressively documented evidence presented in the video--the euhemerization of Late Bronze Age Urnfield-driven migrations as Heraclid genealogies across the Mediterranean…➡️
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