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Soon it's gonna be clear who is legit and who has no clue what they're saying
Stop following people who feed you false hope and incoherent, blindly bullish narratives. They're no better than permabears. Nuance is key
Replying to @LogicalThesis
In Q1 EPS went up because the trump tax cuts kicked in, and Q2 was SpaceX and ANT. We got nothing this quarter unfortunately.
Another major issue in the market is liquidity and equity oversupply. The AI trade is driving the market.
The company's leading the charge with debt raises and equity issuances, alongside their free cash flow reinvestment are:
$META -20% below ATH
$AMZN -20%
$GOOGL -29%
$SPCX -37%
$MSFT -2% (though it did flip green to red on good earnings after announced debt raise, first in 10Y)
The market is already punishing these stocks for their depleting FCFs to negative territory. It is punishing them for potentially misguided, aggressive capital allocation.
The debt markets remain open to these companies because as S&P remains at highs with tons of risks on the horizon, who wouldn't want to lock in a high yield corporate bond from one of the best companies on earth? MSFT's debt offering was 5x oversubscribed today. But alas, $1=$1, whether it is in equity markets or debt markets. Imo investors can continue to flock to bonds instead of owning the equity if they see a more favorable risk:reward.
My next point: $META just announced a $95B raise. It's the first phase of one of their three scenarios they laid out in the recent 10Q (all of which require raising hundreds of billions, and in one case up to $700B).
They raised $35B via a secondary offering, and are planning to raise another $60B through an ATM. They are going to flood the open market with $60B of additional equity issuance. That is a lot of equity supply. Recall, these big tech names have very highly paid employees with huge stock-based comp as part of their total comp. The SBC was historically offset nicely by their consistent buybacks. The buyback bid is no longer there to buoy the stock. So you have both employees dumping stock, no buyback to offset it, and now an additional $60B of equity supply hitting the open market (again, that's after the $35B that hit the secondary already). The bigger issue is that the lower stock price is also a self-fulfilling prophecy. The lower it goes, the more shares they need to sell to raise the necessary funds, and the more dilution it causes. Current equity holders are left holding the bag, that continuously gets dumped on them.
The market is speaking clearly. It is not rewarding any of these stocks for taking this excessive risk and diluting shareholders. The shareholders are not rewarding this behavior (the stocks are down on great results).
Now even Elon mentioned, SPCX remains investment grade, but otherwise the capital markets are mostly closed to smaller neoclouds. Of course, we should take his words with a grain of salt given he has a bias (they are his competitor), but to an extent there is definitely truth (see $CRWV unsecured bond yields spiking). The market is definitely becoming more selective to who it lends to. It is requiring a higher return for riskier borrowers. Do the economics even work for these neoclouds if the borrow rates are higher? I assume not. People keep talking about their financing is backed by the contracts, but the contracts were signed during a time of lower expected revenue for the neocloud, and higher expected costs since the cost of AI components have went up. They capped the upside in their business, and they need more capital to afford the costs. And the markets are not lending to them as favorably as they used to. The looser lending standards kept the party going on the way up, but really sucks the air out of the room on the way down.
Anyway, most of the above hyperscalers spending on growth capex for the AI build out are now at low or negative FCF. To continue increasing their capex guides in the upcoming years, they must raise more capital. Their stocks are already down 20-30% which means the earnings yield is now higher on their share offerings. The debt markets remain open to the highest quality businesses of course, but for how long? How much capital? Maybe the party keeps going, but if they take on all that debt, who is going to own the biggest businesses in the world? The ones with lower margins, lower ROE, and questionable ROI (this part can change as we continue to make AI advancements, but I'm talking about this point in time knowing what we know today). These businesses hold up a large chunk of the index, and they have a ton of headwinds here.
People have been pointing out how the S&P earnings multiple is compressing over the last few months during the sideways chop since earnings are rising.
I believe the market is compressing to a more appropriate multiple. The market's largest stocks went from asset-light, high ROE businesses to capital-intensive, lower ROE businesses with tons of upcoming, indefinite Depreciation & Amortization which will be a headwind to their earnings moving forward.
People keep pointing to a low earnings multiple and don't mention the low to negative FCF driven by growth capex. The important caveat is that the cash flow spent will eventually flow through to the income statement, which compresses earnings.
So you have two things happening at once:
1) earnings will have a headwind from D&A which will dampen earnings growth
2) lower ROE businesses with high capital intensiveness will earn a lower multiple
People have been pointing out how the S&P earnings multiple is compressing over the last few months during the sideways chop since earnings are rising.
I believe the market is compressing to a more appropriate multiple. The market's largest stocks went from asset-light, high ROE businesses to capital-intensive, lower ROE businesses with tons of upcoming, indefinite Depreciation & Amortization which will be a headwind to their earnings moving forward.
People keep pointing to a low earnings multiple and don't mention the low to negative FCF driven by growth capex. The important caveat is that the cash flow spent will eventually flow through to the income statement, which compresses earnings.
So you have two things happening at once:
1) earnings will have a headwind from D&A which will dampen earnings growth
2) lower ROE businesses with high capital intensiveness will earn a lower multiple
$QQQ 705 in AH
Exactly flat since this post >3mo ago
It chopped and drove everyone crazy
Pretty good. And I said that's the best case. We could still roll over here.
I'm going to give an overview of what I notice in this market. My TLDR is: I think market best case will chop through EOY and drive everyone crazy. Let me explain...
Tech is a big part of the S&P500. So let's consider $QQQ. It's below the 50d. The last couple day bounce couldn't get it close to the 50d. It got rejected at the declining 9EMA. Now what we do we have AH?
We have $GOOG reporting 82% cloud growth while consensus was like 64%. HUGE BEAT and showing there is ROI on AI capex. They increase their AI Capex by like ~5% and the stock flips from +3% to -3%. Market does not like the additional capex for the $MAGS (notice that $AMZN also went red in AH) even with the ROI. They especially don't like the fact that GOOG just posted its first negative FCF quarter like ever.
If we were to value the S&P on earnings, then the market doesn't look expensive for the corporate earnings/beats. But if we were to value it on the FCF multiple, the valuation would be astronomical, mostly pulled down by MAGS Capex. Buybacks are cut off. MAGS dividend is laughably low, thus there is no current return to shareholders. And in fact, they are increasing their capex guide "significantly" for 2027, on an already negative FCF while debt and share issuance accelerates to take their balance sheets from asset light and cash rich, to low cash and relatively high debt. A big shift.
Now, let's get back to QQQ and tech's impact on $SPY. QQQ is made of 3 components in my mind: MAGS, $SMH, $IGV.
We already established that market does not approve of higher capex for MAGS, so I think the general direction for MAGS is flat to down moving forward.
$NOW's +4% AH is better than an implosion, but imo not enough to really move the sector meaningfully. I have always been skeptical of software beyond a bounce, and I don't think this sector sees its old premium multiples again. Thus IGV and software component will likely be flat ish moving fwd.
Lastly, SMH semis/hardware. After MAGS went red on GOOG capex guide up, a couple names went green in AH, but SMH and most of the large caps in SMH didnt budge much and were flat to down: NVDA, AMD, ARM, etc. Those are the names that are going to move SMH. Without them, even if you find some smid caps that can buck the trend, SMH may have already priced in a ton of optimism, and the incremental capex is not enough to move it higher. Thus, the fwd path may also be flat ish.
So, tech is at best flat imo from here, and MAGS could be enough to actually move QQQ From flat to down trend, esp as its already heavy below the 50d.
I imagine this will weigh on SPY, and we could be back where we were at the start of the year. RSP up, QQQ flat to down, SPY flat (maybe down).
All this while 10y is at 4.7% and oil is back at $90. Not a great environment for equities. Bonus: midterm years are volatile around Q3.
If you told me in the past that some stocks went up 15x in 15mo, I'd assume a bubble and we're about to see a big drawdown, but that is not the case because fundamentals back the stocks' rise. If you told me we minted several new mega caps over night (AMD, MU, etc now trillion dollar companies), i would think we definitely hit a top in the market.
But instead, I'm not calling for a bear market. I'm simply calling for a digestion period. Could it turn into something worse? Maybe. But the fundamentals are there and the economy is strong. But I do think we need time to digest these moves. We saw years of gains in weeks/months. So it's possible we go nowhere, as new capital does not see immediate strong investment cases to the upside and will be more patient to deploy.
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Logical Thesis retweeted
you're seeing a consistent pattern:
- Fortinet: people bought bc of AI cybersecurity 'emergency'. turns out 4q decelerating, management price sensitive. stock -25%
- ServiceNow: AI SAAS transformation requires forward deployed engineers, turns out 4q is decelerating - stock -25%
- Google: spent entire time on TPUs and AI, going FCF negative while its core business (ads) is - you guessed it, decelerating in 4Q. stock -13%
this was after youtube was supposed to be killing Netflix (stock -44% over past year)
- Robinhood: big agentic push, Monthly active users sequentially decelerating.
meanwhile the consumer sector (big ad buyer) is in beast mode. Cheesecake factory 15% comp, Chili's 10%. Norwegian cruise lifts full year guide - passengers up 22% year over year (983k vs 900k expected).
which begs the question: if you have RSI, and AI is the future why are you underperforming fried mac n cheese sales or cruise billings in the middle of a war. like what are you actually investing against
so company after company is going full tilt into AI, and not really getting a return - just as everyone is
1] locking in to multi year memory contracts (which is part of the price sensitivity fortinet noted)
2] going FCF negative
3] ready to absorb $2-4T of public equity issuance from the labs
meanwhile market rejoices when Oracle *cuts back* investment guidance in data centers.
Labs on fund raising roadshows are saying the new demand story is that software and hardware are insecure and need to be completely refactored for AI era. Which is just an expense, with no revenue acceleration - which brings to the macro question of 'is productivity going to accelerate'
right now sub 2.5% - needs to be above 4% sustainably for debt dynamics to work out. if everyone has to rewrite their software to address cyber threat environment, and banks get hacked constantly (which is apparently the bull case for labs?) - you enter unustainable fiscal situation and decelerating growth which was buttressed by AI infra investment which (per Oracle) is likely to decel
even at macro valuation level, China is far ahead of Europe in AI (non controversial). Hang Seng Tech index trades at 10.5x forward PE while French stock market (CAC Index) trades at 14x while Chinese 5 year yield is 1.3% and France is 4.3%
so there's a completely believable world in stocks where you get a lot more inference, and a lot more AI, and multiples decline or costs accelerate. which seems like Blasphemy in SF but if you just listen to public companies seems closer to a base case
People be like "the S&P is 2% off the highs what are you crying about😂"
The biggest conflict involving the United States was the Kosovo War, with NATO bombing Yugoslavia from March through June 1999.
There were also significant geopolitical developments involving Russia, including the Second Chechen War beginning in 1999, and ongoing tensions in Iraq following U.S. and British strikes in December 1998.
However, these conflicts were not the primary explanation for the oil price surge. OPEC production cuts and recovering global demand were much more important.
Oil roughly doubled between its 1998 annual average and 2000. This created an inflationary impulse just as the Fed was tightening.
Compare that with 2026: Brent crude was approximately $114 at the end of September, up 84% from the start of the
They're gonna hike in Dec
Equities don't do well in a tightening cycle


















