MariaGraceVT💙🐑 retweeted
Replying to @KreemsicleVT @ChoirBat
Agreed. Also part of why I'm not an absolutist anymore.
Even self-proclaimed absolutists aren't truly so. Shouting "Fire" in a crowded space is excluded, or other incitements in order to prevent harm.
Pornography or fetish materials are ultimately harmful all the same, even if the results aren't immediate. The porn to trans pipeline has been an observed trend, as well as other degenerative behaviors, like the open degeneracy of the alphabet mafia parades. Enabling a problem is no beuno, and all of the degenerate enabling has in part lead to the Woke mindset.
One can argue artistic freedoms and authority intent matters, and that explicit materials aren't necessary pornographic, and I do agree to a point, but framing and restriction of access in those cases matter, because framing plays into perception and can lead to normalization of degenerative behaviors that are ultimately harmful to not only the individual, but lead to normalization of such destructive behavior, and restrictions because even if not pornographic in nature, some may be more sensitive to such things, and even things not intended as such can lead to slipping, amongst other issues.
Because I know I wasn't the only person Ember interacted with. I don't suddenly know literally all of the interactions he's ever had with other people.
Tectone or Strawb may have had information from other people Ember talked to that I had no idea about. I wasn't about to call them liars for information I didnt know if they had or not. I only ever spoke about my own experiences while leaving room for others to share theirs.
Replying to @MariaGraceVT
Then why didn't you correct the record when "Guard Dogs" like Tectone and Rev started "Ember infiltrated female only spaces"? I will tell you why, because then the majority of your outrage falls flat, I agree that Ember should have been honest, but you and Strawb made it worse.
I’d love to see any form of proof that ember has a fetish for forced feminisation.
If you don’t like that ember wasn’t who you expected them to be, that’s fine. Those are your feelings.
But framing this as some sort of perversion or violation is braindead.
Frankly I see this as a super slanderous framing designed to further harm someone who has done nothing wrong to you.
I don’t like @ember_paradox . I disagree with them likely at a fundamental level on most things but this is genuinely outrageous and is a form of cancel culture that you lot despise so much.
I just hope ember can slow down and emotionally work through her feelings and identity to hopefully be the version of herself she is most happy with.
But what should I expect, really, from chuds like Maria grace whose only goal is to farm the suffering of others for a molecule of clout.
I implore even one of you to show me exactly where I said Ember invaded a strictly "women only" space.
That is something other people claimed, not me. I never lied about such a thing.
Was he invited to women *oriented* spaces under the assumption he was a fellow woman? Yes. Was he infultrating strict female only spaces where no men were ever allowed? No, not as far as I am aware.
I have never claimed otherwise.
I want to clarify my Thoughts and feelings about the situation with Ember Paradox. My biggest issue has never been that he just lied to me about his gender.
Since I have come to realize that he is not only a man but has a fetish for forced feminization and being seen as a woman it recontextualizes EVERYTHING about our prior friendship. Every small interaction we had I now have to wonder if he got off to me accepting him as a woman and treating him like one.
I NEVER consented to being used for someone else's sexual gratification like that and it disgusts me to my core to think that that's likely what happened considering everything that was dug up about him.
Some of you may not see what I see because Ember was very covert about how he did it. He is admittedly a very smart person. There will be a level of plausible deniability that I cannot help that some people will use to paint me as a crazy person.
I ask that you try to understand where I am coming from with this. I am heartbroken that my trust in someone that I thought was my friend has been shattered and most likely used in a way against me that I find to be violating and repulsive.
This is not me telling you how to think or feel about Ember. I don't want you to be offended on my behalf and go on a crusade against the man or feel like you need to boycott him and his content. If you still want to support him I have no problems with you whatsoever.
I simply wanted to share my experience and give you all as much context as I could whether that makes you look favorably on me or not.
Dislike me all you want or call me whatever you want to call me, at least I gave you the information you needed to come to that conclusion.
We need to talk.. nitter.cf/i/broadcasts/1Nxarobyw…
MariaGraceVT💙🐑 retweeted
Ultimately, the issue with the whole situation is this:
People were lied to, trust was broken, there was a background of trans fetishistic writings, which calls motives into question, makes some reevaluate past interactions, & some things were let slide that wouldn't otherwise.
MariaGraceVT💙🐑 retweeted
Replying to @TheDonOfEvery
The screenshots were from 2 different chats.
One was just Ember, Celeste, and Maria, to which I was added a little over 24 hours after it was made. This is the one the train joke was made, before I was in there.
The other chat had 2 known dudes added a little under a month after it was made, and consisted of 4 women before that. One of which to my understanding was someone's husband or boyfriend, the other was added in the day before he was.
I was also added in a bit over a month after that.
This chat did originally also only consist of people thought to be women though, the same 3 as the other chat, initially, with one more wahmen joining the day after it was created.
Ember was treated as "one of the girlies", guards were lowered because of this, and for some, having that trust betrayed has been much more impactful, and has made past interactions get called into question more.
Especially with the fetishistic writings coming to light as well. It makes one feel lied to, taken advantage of, and any situations that were uncomfortable but brushed off as humor get reevaluated, and feel much more sinister, even if that intent wasn't there.
The other men who were our husbands and one other male vtuber who was added later for a collab weeks later by you. the original members were me, Celeste and Ember assuming all of us were female considering the group chat you were in was named "vfoid/glizzy gals". The train comment was also made in a chat that only had me, Celeste, Ember, and my husband in it.
Were those strictly female only spaces? technically no and I don't think I ever personally claimed they were.
It still doesn't change the fact that I would not have interacted with Ember in the way that I did or would have been okay with the way he interacted with me if I had known he was a man.
Does anyone have a full copy of Ember's prom book? I want to verify facts I have heard about it for myself.
I can be glad that he eventually decided to tell the truth and still be upset that I was lied to and decieved. Those aren't mutually exclusive feelings.
Replying to @MariaGraceVT
Ok, last comment from me:
You were in Ember's stream 10hrs ago. I just saw someone link the VOD so I went to check. You said you're happy that Ember was being honest and coming forth in Ember's chat.
So why are you 7 hours later leaking DMs?
MariaGraceVT💙🐑 retweeted
"The Modern Right™️" consists of a range from 90s Democrats to varying types of more traditional conservatives.
Of course we're going to have issues and strongly disagree on a number of things.
All we can near universally agree on is that "The Modern Left™️ has gone too far".
These are the screenshots I can share at the moment of Ember turning conversations sexual. I quite frankly feel violated and horribly dissapointed that he betrayed my trust in such a way. I would have never let these comments slide if I knew he was a biological man.
Replying to @Tectone
I can confirm as someone who was in multiple dms and group chats with Ember that conversations with him did lean towards sexual things sometimes that at least I personally wouldn't have been okay with discussing with him if I had know I was talking to a biological man.
I know some of you may think this is nothing but I wanted to get my side of things out there for people to have the full story that others were alluding to. Some of you may not think this is a big deal and I get that but these are my honest feeling about what my interactions with him were like.
Could I be over reacting? Maybe on some things. I've been a victim of sexual assault and may be more sensitive to these kinds of things. I also know I wasnt perfect in these screenshots and I shouldn't have egged him on and I'll admit that but I also know I wouldnt have done that if he was clear that he was a man saying those things.
My only intention here was to clear up any facts that I could for those making claims I could eloborate on.













