At Nuremberg, American judges had to teach the Soviet judges about concepts such as “innocent until proven guilty.” The Soviets saw the trials as simply being about whether the accused went to the gulags or were taken out back with a pistol. Most people aren’t prepared to learn just how different their cultures are from others, let alone realize the implications.

Oct 28, 2026 · 4:33 PM UTC

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Do you have any like short articles about this? I’m researching a White general shot by the Soviets and I’d love to know more about how they viewed guilt
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While not short, here’s a primary source on how the Soviet judge perceived the trials. In this context, declaring the accused to be criminals was enough, and that actually having a trial was navel-gazing. avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/jack…
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So American judges worked hard to protect Nazis, and Soviet judges worked hard to execute them, and I'm supposed to side with the American judges on this one?
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That’s an oversimplification. There were a handful of Nazis who opposed the regime and worked to undermine it. Should they have been executed in a show trial? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjalma…
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yeah, "the US worked very hard to protect Nazis at all costs" is actually not a brag outside of pro-Nazi society.
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Soviet judges knew about the concept; they had simply grown accustomed to political trials that were mostly theater. The accused would confess (usually after being tortured and threatened with harm to their families), publicly break down in court, get sentenced to death, and then everyone would applaud and go home happy. No one on the Soviet side expected the Allies to take the Nuremberg trials seriously, with proper interrogations, investigations, and a genuine defense. Nikolai Zorya, an assistant Soviet prosecutor, had failed to pin the blame for the mass execution of Polish officers on the Germans, as Western prosecutors and the tribunal were beginning to realize that the Soviet NKVD was responsible. He was also distressed by the courtroom disclosure of the secret protocols of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Shortly afterward, he was found dead in his Nuremberg hotel room, with a gunshot wound to the head and a Walther pistol beside him. The Soviet delegation claimed that he had accidentally shot himself while cleaning his service weapon.
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The fundamental difference is ends v means. Classical liberalism values means/process in itself, which is contrary to pretty much every other system government where the ends justify the means. In the West, we forget how unintuitive and unique concepts like due process are globally and historically.
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Much like how Hitler told Lord Halifax in a meeting "Shoot Gandhi. If that doesn't make the Indians quiet down, shoot 100 members of the Indian Congress." Only for Halifax to have to say, rather embarrassed, "Uh, we don't do that kind of thing."
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You're referring to "The Enlightenment" and it's well behind us now: I see no light from any source, ahead or behind
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“… whether the accused went to the gulags or were taken out back…” That’s all Nuremberg was. Stop pretending that the U.S. or Britain were/are above show trials.
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Including the Soviets at Nuremberg made the whole thing into a genuine farce imo. The moment you throw ex-post-facto out the courtroom window, you really need to take a step back. The Soviets wanted to execute the anti-rearmament, anti-Holocaust Reichsbank president who was basically ousted in 1939.
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Weren't they all guilty?
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genociders who dropped 2 nukes on civilian population teaching the soviets about rule of law..HAHAHA what a fucking joke
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the authoritarian groups are onto something
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In the same way that a lot of sovietologists were surprised to learn senior soviets *really were* chapter-and-book Marxist true believers when the records opened up, I think a lot of authoritarians don’t believe liberalism is an actual thing liberals believe.
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Actually the whole Nuremberg process was pretty weak in American terms. They practically invented the law to prove them guilty ex post. The Soviet’s were just more straight forward about the process, if we know you are guilty we don’t need to bend the law to fit the narrative.
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That’s because the Americans were at Nuremberg to protect THE NAZIS and ensure major elements of the Nazi state were preserved or translated into Western European / NATO institutions. The Soviets knew they were all guilty, it wasn’t difficult to tell
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Many of the defendants were found guilty of "crimes against humanity" which - at the time - didn't exist as internationally recognized criminal acts. From a purely legal perspective Nuremberg trials were show trials with some added due process window dressing.
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eh. maybe it's just an illusion, and what we call "democracries' cultural pillars" aren't the real pillars - that we're really not allowed to criticize without dire consequences
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yawn And then the US presumed thousands of Nazis innocent and gave them citizenship
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Yes, "conventional wisdom" is completely different in different cultures. Stuff that everyone takes to be obvious
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Innocent until proven guilty is fucking stupid when there's millions of proofs scattered all over a continent, and yes the decision for the Nazis (& co) should've been between the shooting squad and the gulag for life
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40 years ago just as Islam was dripping into the West wise academics warned no Islamic culture concieves of free speech there might be trouble. Now we live with free speech receeding in the West fighting to restore it.
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Same goes the other way around, we don't understand that our values aren't shared by other cultures.
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Just the American judges?
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Reagan used to tell a joke about an American and a Soviet arguing over rights. The American brags that he can walk into Reagan's office and complain about the way that the country is being run. After a moment, the Soviet states he can also walk into Reagan's office and complain
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they were protecting their future valuable specialists.
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The Soviets were wrong. They should’ve all just been shot. No bothering with any gulag for anyone that high ranking
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They also had to crush a bunch of guys balls to get forced confessions. In fact all of them were forced under torture I believe.
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It needs reminding that the Soviets used existing Russian concepts in deciding how to handle inconvenient persons. Dostoyevsky’s life taught me that.
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That's interesting. I'm actually pretty much unaware of legal traditions outside of the common Western ones and authoritarian ones. So I could certainly imagine that I would be confused encountering one that's very different from those.
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why? what ARE the implications? that ideas of tolerance and multiculturalism hurts more than it helps?
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It has happened to me and I have seen it happen to others where it simply locks the brain to see what other cultures consider normal.
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