👽🛸 Grusch on Disclosure: "I am, surprisingly, confident." 🛸👽 New Grusch: Disclosure, "could trigger a response [from 'them']." Lue in 2022: "If you acknowledge it exists, you can force the hand of...something to do something that you're not prepared to have happen yet." ~~~ (I am NOT confident, but I'm REALLY hoping to be wrong. If Trump brings us meaningful disclosure, his name will go down in history.) Grusch: "There's a lot of like, collateral effects. If you're not careful with certain stuff, you can, you know, trigger a response. And there is great fear that... I don't necessarily believe in this, but like, there has been assessments in the past that, you know, revealing certain things may, you know, trigger a response from a third party." Rogan" "Trigger a response from them? From these entities?" Grusch: "Possibly, yes. And that has been written up. Government think tanks wrote that up in reports to previous presidents." Rogan: "So, the theory is, that we disclose, people are now aware of it all over the globe, and they decide to show themselves?" Grusch "Yeah, I mean, I think there's a real fear of like, a Ghostbusters moment, I'll say." Rogan: "Oh boy,." (Are we talking about pulling Gozer and lots of spirits into our dimension, or a Stay-Puft-Marshmallow-Man event? 🙂 @LueElizondo, and others, have spoken about Disclosure possibly triggering an event.) Timothy Good: "From what I've gathered, many of the aliens don't want us to know what they are doing here. And that's kind of understandable. And 'they' could take retaliatory action if, say, those few people in the United States Government wanted to start talking. And it's quite possible they've done that already. So, it's not in their best interests." (I don't have the date for that quote but I'd guess that it's from a book or lecture of his from the 90s.) Lue in 2022: "From a national security, when we go into a country, and we're doing, let's say, Long-Range Surveillance, right? And I send in a LRS team to go do reconnaissance because we're gonna invade a country. Well, the moment that country finds out that I'm conducting reconnaissance into their borders, the jig is up. I now have to invade, I have to attack because the element of surprise is over. "So let's just say, hypothetically, waaaay just remote possibility that whatever is out there is planning to come here in 50 years. Let's just say. But, the moment that the American people find out it's real - and by the way, the American government acknowledges it, and the world acknowledges it, right? Now, whatever. may happen in 50 years, now has to happen tomorrow. And by the way, we don't have any type of way to counteract it, or to neutralize it, or to exploit it. We don't under[stand?]...there's not a damn thing we can do about it. "So that's not really good, from a national-security perspective, that's not really a good place you wanna be in, especially when it comes to national security. Because the mere fact of telling somebody, 'Yes, they're here and we don't know what it is and we can't do anything about it,' may actually predicate an action you're not ready to have yet! "And so, in a very weird, kind of twisted sort of way, it actually may be a sense of patriotism that certain people have kept this quiet for so long, bc we don't have a counter-measure! And so, it is the one secret that, if you acknowledge it exists, you can force the hand of someone or something to do something that you're not prepared to have happen yet. And so, it's something to consider. "Now, let me say, for the record: I don't agree with that, OK? But, I can appreciate that, I can understand that. I can understand that somebody who's very patriotic and very senior, says, 'Look, the mere fact that we have this conversation could lead to something we're not ready to deal with yet.' And so, I get it. And again, I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm simply saying, I can appreciate that, and I understand it, and it's not as...it's harder to demonize someone if that really was their motivation." Source is my 215-tweet thread from 2002: nitter.cf/TheUfoJoe/status/15038… ~ John Keel to Friends in 1967: “Once the UFO powers realize fully that we are aware of their plans, they might feel it necessary to take immediate action." ~Back to Grusch on Rogan Today~ Grusch: "And it's one of those things where I'm trying to walk the line and be as diplomatic as possible, and also trying to prepare the populace at the same time. Because clearly, the government hasn't right now, and, I mean, Trump wants it out for sure. His team needs to be astute enough to know what to ask for, you know, massage the deep state, and get that information. Because we just saw Tim Burchett on Benny Johnson's podcast talk about, Stephen Miller called him and was like, 'Hey, I'm getting blocked, like, physically blocked from access to a lot of this stuff.' And, you know, that's very concerning." (@MattLaslo broke that story.) Grusch: "I would say Stephen Miller is an alpha dog, he's a pit bull. I do appreciate the fervency he is attacking the issue behind the scenes, and I just, I think he needs guided the right way and informed, and kind of how to cut this deal." Rogan: "I met him very briefly at the UFC event at the White House, and he told me that it's gonna come out. I'm like, 'Okay.'" Grusch: "That's good! Well, there you go." Rogan: "It was really quick." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "He's like, 'I know you're interested in this.' This is literally all we talked about. 'The UFO thing is gonna come out.' I'm like, 'Okay, when? When's that coming out? Let's go [laughs].'" Grusch: "Exactly. (Just for context: The first three batches of UFO files were released on May 8th, May 22nd, and June 12th. The White House UFC event was on June 14th.) Grusch: "And Trump understands the subject pretty good, and, you know, he's in the know. And he understands some of the implications." (If he understands the subject pretty good, why does he only know SOME of the implications?) Grusch: "So, like I said, he has a lot of courage because this is likely gonna change society in a big way. I'm not like a social anthropologist or a psychiatrist. Like, I can't necessarily predict in what specific ways it might reduce, you know, feudal-nation-state, peer competition and other things, but it is gonna change. And I think, when people look back at this interview, it's gonna be very haunting because I think, in short order, you know, before Trump leaves office, we're gonna be in a new paradigm. "And I'm normally a very pessimistic, cynical person. A lot of my friends know that. But I have great confidence that the President is doing the right thing. And I feel there's eventually gonna...the people that are in charge of this are gonna have to comply with the President's order. But there's a right way of of doing this, I think. And like I said, I'm not some sycophant for the deep state. I'm a whistleblower, obviously, and, you know, I have philosophical differences about how this was kept and how they could possibly reveal stuff. "But, I am, surprisingly, confident, which is kind of weird for me to say. Because I just see the tea leaves, I know Miller's serious. There's other people in government serious. I mean, you even see Aaron Lukas, the DDNI, the Deputy Director of National Intelligence, you know, sign these big NDA waivers. It includes like, any kind of waiver of not even telling the president, sorry, you-have-to-tell-us kind of thing. And so, you're seeing kind of the chessboard being set. "I know everybody's not happy with the tranches coming out, with the low-hanging fruit videos and recordings and stuff. And Representative Burlison and I, before I left his office, recently, got a 1952 recording that was still classified from Blue Book, talking about the seriousness of this issue and all the crazy shit that they're seeing near nuclear sites and test ranges. Which is interesting, because in that video (it's audio) that's been declassified, it mentions the very sites that, in modern day, have that same anomalous activity to include stuff in the Southwest. I can't say where, it's in the ecosystem in the open source, but the executive branch hasn't acknowledged what specific tests and training range. They're seeing crazy orbs that they can't explain [that] accost helicopters and all that, so."

"They wanted to kill [Grusch]." (I'm slowly going through the entire interview and will spend all day on it.) Early 2022... David Grusch: "I get chills talking about this because it's kind of upsetting. I was in D.C. for a conference on UAP, actually, for my agency - NGA (National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency) at the time - and I got summoned to an off-books Senate Intel Committee - we'll call it a meeting - in their, you know, their SCIF, right? They're their vault where you can talk classified information. "And certain individuals were there, known to me. Great credentials, people I've known for a while in my line of work. And so was, you know, a dozen and a half senior staff for Marco Rubio, Mark Warner, you know, etc. And in that meeting, we, you know, we talked about the Legacy program, the history, many hours, and I'm a fly on the wall. Like, this is really for Senate staff, I'm just kind of sitting in the back." (A lot of us want proof that there's a UAP Legacy crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. We've heard anecdotes that represent lots of smoke, but no fire yet. If a group of government folks, including senior staff for various senators, were meeting and talking about said Legacy UFO C/R program, and Grusch was just a fly on the wall? That's a lot more smoke. That was over 4.5 years ago. Do they plan on telling us any time soon?) Grusch: "And, you know, they turned to staff and they, you know, they pointed at me. And they're like, 'Oh, by the way, you know, these couple of individuals...' And they named the individuals. I'm like, I know who they are. 'They wanted to kill you.' And, I know @LueElizondo talked about it." Rogan: "But why?" Grusch: "I do not know that for sure. I think... Well, so...umm, hmm. Be careful what I say. There are certain presidential findings that allow certain things to protect critical things in the government." (I interpret that as Grusch saying: There are certain legal (Presidential?) directives that allow U.S. citizens to be killed if they represent an imminent threat to the national security of the U.S. And Grusch was determined to be one of those people. Lue has talked about his name being on that "list," too.) Grusch: "And my assessment is, I was getting so close to exposing it, because I was sort of preparing my inspector general's report to the IG that I must have crossed some sort of Rubicon. I still would like to know, and I hope these people are, you know, brought to justice, and that's, you know, my wish and dream. Ad hopefully, Department of Justice does what's needed. But..." Rogan: "There's an investigation ongoing right now?" Grusch: "Yes, on that. And that's all I'll say, defensively, not to interfere with that."