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Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
Udara (@TGUPJ) on why he lets every project sit for months on purpose, and what that does to the work.
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
Udara (@TGUPJ) and @internetvin on why the typical AI demo isn't what we actually want to use AI for.
"A lot of this technology still feels to me like 50% gimmick."
"I'm more interested in how it improves me as a person. How can I coordinate myself better? How do I get the most raw bandwidth out of myself?"
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
Udara (@TGUPJ) and @internetvin on what years of learning are worth once AI can approximate almost anything.
"I expect to spend the rest of my career chasing. None of the shit that I've understood, learned over the last 20, 30 years is actually really relevant or durable."
"It is important because it gives me texture for what I can do with this technology. But it's not a durable advantage the way we had gotten accustomed to."
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
Udara (@TGUPJ) and @internetvin on what happens to us once AI can do the work we used to do.
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
—
Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
Udara (@TGUPJ) and @internetvin on the recent developments in video game modding, and what this reveals about what we value.
"This stuff used to happen over a really long period of time. People would take a game, mod it, and then a community forms around it. But now that's compressed to a day of somebody's work, or a week."
"In the past, the one constraint they had was that it was hard to do this stuff. All those things had a cost to it, and that cost was a filter."
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
Udara (@TGUPJ) and @internetvin on why AI output alone isn't impressive.
"It's just demoing the outcomes of a transformer. It's not necessarily demonstrating understanding, and understanding is often the most interesting thing."
They discuss how games differ in this case, as games have to be played, and in playing you move through the maker's understanding yourself.
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
—
Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
The Other Stuff retweeted
WIP: The Other Stuff in a Car at Night
shotgun-lite.vercel.app/
so we're in the process of figuring out how to move @OtherStuffShow into a car at night.
drove from Ridgeway Plaza to Scarborough tonight testing various set ups.
thank you for everything so far
Udara (@TGUPJ) demos New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization game he is building entirely by himself.
In the game, you play the steward of a settled planet. Its districts and states run themselves, so you can't just order them around. You have to design things they want to take part in.
Every layer is simulated, from terrain to weather to trade. If you see a cloud, it's because there's a cloud in the sim.
His vision of the game is one in which you make decisions on behalf of millions of people and experience their system-level effects through the stories told by the individuals themselves.
Udara Jay (@TGUPJ) is a designer, engineer, explorer, and the founder of UNMS.
In this conversation, Udara walks us through New Dawn Protocol, a globe-scale civilization sandbox game about rebuilding shared systems and living with what they make possible. What once took a triple-A studio, Udara is now building on his own.
The game opens onto a larger question: what does this technology make possible, and what is it changing that we can’t see? The GPU was built to draw games and now runs AI. A phone sets a photo’s exposure without asking, and without our noticing that a decision was made at all. Agents will soon make choices for us the same way. Udara argues that most people experience AI only through their social feeds or a narrow slice of the world as it currently is, and that even the people building it can’t see where it’s going.
internetVin and Udara push the question as far as it goes: what do people become once machines run the systems we built, and why learn anything once knowing is no longer an advantage?
The Other Stuff is hosted by internetVin, a filmmaker, entrepreneur, and possibly the most curious man on Earth. Produced by New.
—
Timestamps
00:00:00 Growing Up Making Things in Sri Lanka
00:15:22 Where New Dawn Protocol Came From
00:31:47 Demo: How New Dawn Protocol Works
00:51:59 Making Games to Understand Complex Systems
00:55:47 Building the Game Alone with AI
01:04:07 Should Games Ship with Their Own AI?
01:16:45 Why Build a Game in the Browser
01:24:11 How Games Built the GPU That Runs AI
01:37:53 When Anyone Can Mod Any Game
01:45:31 What We’ll Value When Software Is Free
01:55:51 How AI Changes Things Without Us Noticing
02:06:07 Why Learn Anything If AI Knows It?
02:11:23 What We Do Once AI Runs the Systems
02:17:33 A Family Agent with Its Own Phone
02:24:58 Local Networks and Keeping Your Own Context
02:33:19 What Tracking Yourself Can Tell You
02:51:10 ESP32s: Tiny Computers for Everything
03:11:50 Udara’s Home Lab and Personal Agent
03:28:34 Distill: A Private Twitter for Ideas
03:37:18 Predictions for What Comes Next
The Other Stuff EP 38 — Udara Jay nitter.cf/i/broadcasts/1jGXgBlAP…
