Joshua Pearsall retweeted
Here's a hidden truth that might take many years for people to learn.
When an apologist must employ insults, personal attacks, low-blow gotchas, practices self-aggrandizement, rushes toward empty and unmerited triumphalism, and can never tell their opponent, "Hmm, I'll have to do more research on that. Good point," they are almost certainly nervous about the truth of what they believe in because they are forcing themselves to use these tactics to cover over, ignore, and wishfully pretend that the force they feel against their beliefs doesn't exist.
Another sign is that a message like this will hit a nerve.
Oh, and this is very normal.
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The Arians claimed that their tradition (or โcustomโ) did not allow for the Trinitarian position. Gregory responded with the following:
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What then is our reply? We do not think that it is right to make their prevailing custom the law and rule of sound doctrine. For if custom is to avail for proof of soundness, we too, surely, may advance our prevailing custom; and if they reject this, we are surely not bound to follow theirs. Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words. (Dogmatic Treatises, Book 12. On the Trinity, To Eustathius.)
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When Arian custom ran contrary to Trinitarian custom, to what authority did Gregory appeal? The Scriptures.
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Replying to @StephenBoyce333 @Alex_Ortodoxie
1) I also emailed Shoemaker in 2022 to ensure he was comfortable with my summary of his views on the assumption of Mary. He said he was.
2) This passage discusses objections to Hurtado's position on cultic worship; it by no means indicates I have misrepresented his position on invoking angels! On that point he is clear: "there is no direct evidence of Jewish invocation of angels in material contemporary with or prior to the NT"). If anyone following wants to get to the bottom of this, I'd simply encourage them to read Hurtado, or at least google: "what does Larry Hurtato believe about invoking angels in 2nd temple Judaism?"
3) As I've stated, I understand there are "appeals" to angels of other kinds but these are simply not comparable to the practice being debated (ongoing devotional prayer to non-divine persons in heaven). That distinction keeps getting overlooked.
4) The attempts at discreditation are gross. I am leaving this response for observers but won't be engaging further.
Joshua Pearsall retweeted
Joel Webbon says the pre-incarnate Divine Son has less authority (and a different sphere of authority) than the Father.
In the New Christendom will this still be a capital offense?
Pastor, perhaps less โrace realismโ and more theology proper.
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Cya at 9 PM live tonight! (Link below) ๐
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LIVE TONIGHT AT 9 PM EASTERN!
Calling all Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and whoever, bring us your arguments against Sola Scriptura!
@PracticalCL and I are ready!
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I used to question whether the Bible teaches universal prevenient grace. Is it true that every person receives some measure of grace inviting them into the process of salvation?
There was a time when I was hesitant to answer that question with a โyes.โ
What changed my mind? John 1:9โthe light that illumines everyone was coming into the world. The illumination extends to "everyone."
Some reject the view that this illumination is an expression of prevenient grace. The context, however, suggests that it is. John goes on to explain that those who receive the Word are given the right to become children of God.
The illumination of everyone in verse 9 belongs in the same discussion as becoming children of God in verse 12. The context is a theology of salvation.
Thatโs why I understand this illumination as grace initiating the saving process. Everyone receives the light, even though everyone does not receive the Word.
That distinction helped me come to believe in universal prevenient grace.
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TWO DAYS AWAY!
This Friday, live at 9 PM!
Bring @PracticalCL and myself your best argument against Sola Scriptura!
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My backpack got pulled for an extra security check at the Manchester airport today.
Honestly, I was a little frustrated by the delay.
Then the security agent, Gareth, pulled my Bible out of my backpack.
I joked, โCareful with that. Itโs called the Sword of the Lord.โ
He looked at me and said, โIโll treat it with respect.โ
That opened the door.
Gareth told me he used to attend church but had become disillusioned after some painful things happened in his family. He still believes in God, but he struggles with church.
So, while he searched my backpack, I got to share the Gospel with him.
Before I left, I told him, โGareth, I donโt believe it was an accident that we met today.โ
Pray for Gareth.
People all around us are hurting.
There are no accidental interactions.
โจThere are Gospel opportunities everywhere.
โจLook for them.
Even in the security line. ๐
Joshua Pearsall retweeted
MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR THIS ONE!!
@PracticalCL and I will be going live, Friday, October 30 at 9 PM (EST) for an open mic challenge on Sola Scriptura!!
Come on and give us your best arguments against it!
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Joshua Pearsall retweeted
Live in 15!
LIVE TONIGHT at 9:30 PM!!
I'll be reviewing @C2Antiquity and @KellyPowersBPA debate on @ModernDayDebate on, "Is there an Infallible Rule of Faith Outside Scripture?"
Link Here ๐
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NEW ARTICLE showing how the Roman patrologists of the 16th century edited the writings of the Fathers in order to make them more โacceptable.โ
Go check it out!
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Craig Truglia vs. James White
"Icon Veneration AS DEFINED by the Second Nicene Council is Apostolic."
After watching this debate and seeing the responses by Catholics and Orthodox, I believe that there was a major misperception of what the resolution of the debate really was.
I think many Catholics and Orthodox heard a long list of evidence of artwork and the religious depictions of Christ and the Saints, and thought that Truglia pulled off his job.
But that would be to miss the crux of the debate, which James White kept his finger on.
The crux of the debate was whether icon VENERATION being OBLIGATORY and NECESSARY for salvation was taught by the Apostles.
Both White and Truglia both agreed on this major point: Nicaea 787's definition of icon veneration is PRECISELY that it is NECESSARY for salvation. So even if the viewer thinks otherwise, both White and Truglia were on the very same page: icon veneration is an essential practice for the Christian in his walk with God in order to make it to heaven, and this divine mandate goes back to the Apostolic imperatives.
And so the job is not to show that artwork and depictions of Christ/Saints existed in early Christianity. The job is not to show that the veneration of artwork and depictions of Christ/Saints existed in early Christianity.
That doesn't get Truglia to the touchdown, by HIS OWN self-proclaimed burden. He stood up and repeatedly said that Nicaea 787 made icon veneration an obligatory means to salvation, just as necessary as PRAYER is for salvation. In other words, Truglia believes that Nicaea 787 teaches that from the very beginning of the New Covenant, icon veneration was a necessary means to obtain eternal life.
To make this practical, Truglia believes that on the day of Pentecost, the Apostles included the teaching that creative artists and painters are immediately required to make images for the purpose of saving the souls of the people baptized in Jerusalem by setting up the practice of icon veneration, because the latter is necessary for the Christian life and necessary to obtain heaven.
In case what I'm saying is not clear enough, let me give you a perfect analogy by which to understand the burden that Truglia willingly put on himself.
The "Holy Kiss."
Who can deny that early Christians practiced the Holy Kiss? We read of it Scripture (Rom. 16:16; 1 Cor. 16:20; 2 Cor. 13:2; 1 Thess 5:26; 1 Pet 5:14). We read of it in the early Christian fathers (Justin Martyr, Athenagorus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Passion of Perpetua and Felicity, Hippolytus's Apostolic Tradition, Apostolic Constitutions, Athanasius's Festal letters, Cyril of Jerusalem, John Chrysostom, Augustine of Hippo, Jerome, Ambrose of Milan, Theodore of Mopsuestia, Pope Innocent I, etc. etc.).
Ok, so the Apostolic historicity of the Holy Kiss is quite clear, and I'm not aware of any historian or theologian who would dispute this.
And yet, do we have evidence that the holy kiss is necessary for salvation, such that if you don't do it you are lost?
The evidence of the existence of icons in the Apostolic age and in early Christianity (especially before Nicaea) is nowhere near the evidence for the Holy Kiss.
But EVEN IF we did have the same amount of evidence, or even more, of icons during the Apostolic age and early Christianity, it would still not get us to the resolution of this debate between White and Truglia.
Did Truglia get us to the place where he proved the Apostles taught that icon veneration was specifically necessary to do by divine mandate in order to get to heaven?
No.
Truglia took the positive position (the affirmative, proposer, claimant) and, as such, bore the burden of proof.
James White had zero burden of proof because he simply took the negative, i.e., arguing that the proposer didn't prove what he was proposing.
Having said that, I think Truglia was well-spoken, very respectful, entertaining, charismatic, and did an absolutely fantastic job proving that religious artwork existed in Church history, even before Nicaea 325. To be fair to Truglia, he did not demand that the way in which 9th century icon veneration looked would be perfectly the same in all places and at all times, but he attempted to show that there is a bare minimum-- an image and religious respect to the prototype through the image. All of that information was done well and he certainly did his homework for that particular task.
One particular Eastern Orthodox theologian (Byzantinist, even) that Truglia cited in support of the existence of icons prior to the 7th century was Fr. Andrew Louth. Interestingly enough, Louth says elsewhere that the NECESSITY of venerating icons would not have been found in the 4th century:
โ๐๐ต ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ฃ๐ท๐ช๐ฐ๐ถ๐ด ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฉ๐ช๐ด๐ต๐ฐ๐ณ๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ช๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ต๐ฉ-๐ค๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐บ ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ค๐ต๐ณ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐ด๐ด๐ช๐ต๐บ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ข๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ช๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ต๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต๐ฉ-๐ค๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐บ ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฎ๐ช๐ต๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ช๐ด๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐ค๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฆ๐ด๐ด๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ณ๐จ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐บ ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ต๐ฉ-๐ค๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐บ ๐๐ข๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด..โ [โIs Development of Doctrine a Valid Category?โ in ๐๐ณ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐น๐บ ๐๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐๐ฆ๐ด๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฏ ๐๐ถ๐ญ๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐ฆ: ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐ญ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ค๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐๐ด๐ด๐ข๐บ๐ด ๐๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐๐ข๐ณ๐ฐ๐ด๐ญ๐ข๐ท ๐๐ฆ๐ญ๐ช๐ฌ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐๐ช๐ด ๐๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ต๐ช๐ฆ๐ต๐ฉ ๐๐ช๐ณ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ข๐บ (Crestwood: St. Vladimirโs Seminary Press, 2005), 47]
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Joshua Pearsall retweeted
Nicaea 1 does not ground itself in unwritten traditions in the same way that Nicaea 2 does. This is the exact reason why writers like William Whitaker accept Nicaea 1 and deny Nicaea 2.
Nicaea 1 grounded itself in conclusions from scripture while Nicaea 2 grounded itself in "carefully traced" unwritten traditions.
The difference in claims makes the burden of proof equally different. Nicaea 1 must prove its claims from scripture, Nicaea 2 must prove its claims from history.
Replying to @ErickYbarra3
@ErickYbarra3 are you alleging that Nicaea 2 claims that the Apostles themselves anathematized the rejection of icon veneration?
Hereโs another way of getting at the same question: does 1 Nicaeaโs doctrine of the Trinity include the idea that the Apostles themselves anathematized those who deny the definition of 1 Nicaea?
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What has become obvious in recent years (though it was visible for decades, and identifiable even longer before) is that division is looming in the Catholic Church. And hiding this does no one any good.
It might be a division between polar opposites, even. It might several groups. But here I think there is a clean break between two groups.
How can I describe this ?
There is something lopsided about being drawn to Catholicism not because of its faithful transmission and guardianship of the original deposit of Christian teaching delivered by the Apostles, but because of how powerfully the Church can adapt through the progressive development of doctrine, drawing on a continual influx of new insights that the โimmature lightsโ of the Apostles, Saints, and Fathers supposedly never knew for two thousand years.
It sickens me to see Catholic apologists focusing so much on the advantage of institutional power that can creatively fix unity in its exploration of new ideas, ever correcting the Fathers of Christianity. It sickens me even more to see clergy throwing down the card of authority to embolden their attainment of novelty while ridiculing the โfundamentalistโ (and here, I do not mean the TLM trad, but just even the conservative Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant who unreservedly believes every word of Scripture).
โWell, at least they can develop doctrine with power and authority. At least there is a final court that can tell us which new developments are definitive and which are not. The modern world has brought in so much good that our spiritual ancestors, as great as they were, simply didnโt know about and couldnโt see.โ
Is that what we think souls are drawn to?
People today who feel drawn to step out of the darkness of the fallen world and genuinely enter the light of Christ are not looking for what best accommodates modern humanity. They are thirsting for the school of Christ. They want to be His students, learn His teaching, follow His ways, and finally hear that they were good and faithful servants. They want to absorb the faith once delivered, not ever developed. That is really it.
โOh but Ybarra you donโt really understand development.โ
Of course thatโs the response. Please spare us the rehearsal. Newman and many of his theological predecessors are rolling in their graves. If you donโt have the eyes to see it, you might never see it.
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What is the actual difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics on faith and justification?
Where is the real disagreement on the question: โare we justified by faith alone?โโจโจThis clip is one of the most helpful breakdowns of the difference between Protestant and Catholic articulations of faith and justification. Both sides spend a lot of time critiquing mischaracterized views or even strawmen, and it doesnโt help the dialogue whatsoever. Guillaume Bignon (@gui_bignon_theo) has a really helpful explanation (on Gavin Ortlundโs @gavinortlund show a few years ago) and talks through this matrix he developed to narrow down where the real disagreement lies.
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I told many that Joel Webbon was bad and was one of the first to call him out. I was mocked and called names for it and smeared as a Liberal. Despite the fact that I fought harder against Wokeness in 2020 than many I know of.
But I was right.
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Muslims murder a pastor because he caused Muslims to become Christians.
This is Islam.
Christian pastor killed by Muslims in Uganda ๐บ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐๏ธ
A 25-year-old Ugandan pastor was involved in a public Christian-Muslim debate in which two Muslim women reportedly converted to Christianity.
Witnesses said Pastor Bernard Mulongo was threatened afterward by Imam Hassan Musa, who allegedly told him, "You deserve death" for leading Muslims to Christ.
Later that evening, after a radio interview, armed men on motorcycles stopped Mulongo and his friend. The friend escaped, but Mulongo was captured and later found dead with multiple injuries.
Police are investigating the murder. Musa is a suspect but remains at large. Mulongo is survived by his wife and two young children.
Christians are not save around Muslims.
Pray for Bernard ๐๐ญ๐ฏ๏ธ๐๏ธ































