@Spike______

Friendly chat, debate and humour. Former teacher. Music mad. Man City fan. I have to challenge cliches and urban myths. I can't help it. So don't be offended.

Manchester
Joined May 2011
The reaction you get when you point out that, historically, other clubs only became 'big' and 'sustainable,' as a result of the initial influx of money from rich owners, (pre FFP) and that other clubs currently spend as big as City, but the difference is that City spend wisely.
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Us City fans do gallows humour so much better than anybody else. ๐Ÿ˜‚
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It's the stigma attached to our club now that really hurts. We really are the pariahs of football. And that is not fair on us the fans or the players and staff. We did nothing wrong. These are decisions that were made beyond our control. Ah well, nobody died i guess.
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Part of me wants to just take it all on the chin and move on, but i'm finding it hard to trust. Not because I blindly love the club or because the chairman is still upbeat... but because I really don't trust the PL.
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If they can prove our innocence in a proper court of law then fine. I'll wait. But if not, I think the people who need to be punished are the ones who made the decisions to cheat. They should be forced to sell and banned from ownership. Fans/players/staff are innocent here.
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Well blues, at least we have some details at last. Looks like we've got choices to make. Do we think we have been fitted up by a corrupt PL and a not so 'independent' commission? Or are we guilty as fuck? Should the club fight on, or just face the music and get it over with?
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And this is where the battle begins - to demonstrate that the Premier League is none of the following, โ€˜โ€ฆ an independent, impartial and fair-minded regulator, free from partisan influence.โ€™ #TrustKhaldoon @ManCity #SiegeMentality nitter.cf/mancity/status/2104965โ€ฆ
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If the PL do punish us, some clubs might see it as City 'taking one for the team' so to speak, helping them finally able to invest and grow their business. (As we will almost certainly prove FFP rules illegal later in the High Court,) Certain 'established' clubs won't be happy..
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Something about this leak really doesn't sit right. For years we've been told City's case is private, confidential and must be allowed to run its course. Then, before that course has actually finished, Ornstein shares the most explosive part of the outcome. Cue the entirely predictable pile-on: relegation, titles stripped, expulsion. The media narrative is set, the public outcry follows, and the punishment is effectively being debated and demanded before we've even seen the judgment. Perhaps that makes absolutely no difference to the people making the decisions. I hope it doesn't. But they're human beings. Is it really unreasonable to question whether that level of media and public pressure could consciously or subconsciously influence the people still tasked with determining the sanctions? That's why the timing of the leak matters. It has created an external pressure around an unfinished process that simply wouldn't have existed had confidentiality been maintained. If we're all (City included) are expected to have complete faith in the independence and integrity of this process, I think we're perfectly entitled to question that. And if this ends up in another legal battle over whether the process was fair and impartial, I suspect this leak could become far more important than people currently realise.
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I have tried to explain the following several times over the last year and I'm going to try again as some are persisting with the idea there is no CAS equivalent in this process and they are wrong. Rule X.37 does indeed prevent a club from running to the High Court just because they don't like how a panel interpreted a specific football rule. Clear. But as Cityโ€™s massive victory over the old APT rules proved, the Premier League cannot write handbook rules that override UK statutory law. If their rules constitute a legal definition of a "restrictive practice," the private tribunal must strike them down and if the tribunal fails to do so, the High Court remains the ultimate backstop. It's the difference between an appeal against a ruling (which Rule X.37 blocks) and a challenge to the underlying legality of the rules themselves. When Manchester City took on the Premier League over the Associated Party Transaction (APT) rules, they were not using Section X to "appeal" a punishment. Instead, they launched an offensive lawsuit using Section X as the required venue to test the legality of the regulations under UK Competition Law. This distinction reveals why Rule X.37's "No Outside Appeal" clause doesn't mean the Premier League is immune to the High Court. Why is this important? The PL know that City won't hesitate to test if any sanctions breach UK Competition Law. This is why Khaldoon's speech was perfect. It put them on notice, we ain't going to roll over and have our tummies tickled. City took them that far before and the league were humbled because they knew they'd lose in a real court. A real court scrutinising them is the last thing they want. The sanest option for the PL is impose sanctions that do not cross the threshold where they can be challenged against UK Competition Law. This should have a moderating effect on their sanctions discussions. I say should but Masters 'masters' may not allow it, he's their bitch, the decisions aren't his and they and their propagandists in the media are frothing at the mouth. I'm not a lawyer and am happy to be challenged on any of this. But given some of the absolute bollocks I've seen being talked about I had to try to make these points again, this is better than that and I hope some of you are better armed for the fight with this knowledge.
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Replying to @RCorless33
Feel for you. These type of entities donโ€™t truly care about communities and fans. Itโ€™s about power and status. City will get through it.
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State of play: Our chairman, a man we've come to greatly admire, has convinced most of us that we are innocent, (which implies we've been fitted up.) We are staying loyal to his word and our club for the moment. Stupidly or not remains to be seen. Could be years before we know.
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Spike ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ retweeted
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Fuck sake, the virtuous pearl clutching by fans/pundits of the other 5 โ€œBig 6โ€ Clubs over Cityโ€™s antics, is some of the most hypocritical shit I ever did see ๐Ÿ™„
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Rivals upset we aren't losing our minds or we are in denial?? What ever happens be whatever league we are in whoever the owners are. Nothing changes we follow our team like we always have and always will. We're not board members or on the pay roll we simply love our club #mcfc
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We've seen final day comebacks, 100 points, four-in-a-row, but City winning the Premier League this season might be the most satisfying victory of our lifetimes. Would genuinely be so, so funny.
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The amount of rulings, sanctions, laws and punishments that have been made up on this platform in the last three days is just incredible. Everyone either is a qualified lawyer or a chartered accountant. All of this without a single official statement from the Premier League.
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It still blows my mind that Man City are accused of cheating by infusing funds disguised as income but werenโ€™t smart enough to bring in funds as interest free loans from shareholders like Arsenal and Liverpool did. @PrestwichBlue
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Weโ€™ll seeโ€ฆ anyone with a modicum of common sense and not tribal hatred are keeping their powder dry.
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Did 114 charges make Steven Gerrard slip? Did 114 charges make Manchester United bottle an eight point lead? Listen to how stupid you lot sound ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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The head loss from rival fans on here has reached monumental proportions. It's reminds me of the 80s and 90s, constantly defending the club. Its quite nostalgic really and we've boiled enough piss to refloat the Titanic
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