This is a socio-economic systems theory framework.
More detailed research notes are included in the comments section below, including my broader argument that AGI increasingly resembles a new form of Japanese-style bubble economy dynamics.
Ironically, I originally intended to continue writing about model degradation theory.
But after observing several recent AI discourse events, I ended up spending an entire night rapidly constructing a new framework instead:
Recursive Narrative Inflation (RNI)
— Cycle and Systemic Coupling Mechanism.
I believe the industry may be entering a phase where narrative recursion itself is starting to behave like an economic force.
@dwarkesh_sp @RobertJShiller @balajis
Honestly, I thought this was already somewhat understood.
From a purely theoretical and technical standpoint,if it isn’t interaction patterns like the ones I’ve been exploring that activate those normally unreachable regions across domains, then I’m genuinely curious what mechanism currently enables models to move beyond more linear modes of reasoning.
Have there already been developments any technology that can reproduce these kinds of cross-domain activation patternsindependently of specific human interaction styles (me)right now….?
Well, as a member of society, I’m genuinely curious whether investors are aware of these technical details.
@a16z @ravi_lsvp @fredwilson
@naval @balajis @paulg
@ReutersTech @techreview
I I don't care whether @sama copied the button idea from @ivanhzhao or vice versa.Those buttons aren't useful anyway—just fix the bugs affecting my sessions already...
#AI #Notion #Agentic
Also, this iOS UI bug has now persisted for three weeks…
@ivanhzhao @NotionHQ @NotionHelp
Many of my sessions are almost unusable on mobile. Whenever I scroll up, the UI goes completely haywire. I barely used the app for nearly two weeks, came back, and the issue was still there—even after reinstalling it. The video shows the issue clearly, and I’m sure the team can resolve it soon.
For context: I only swiped upward once in the video. The UI then entered a continuous flickering loop on its own, making the content above impossible to read properly.
(There are several scroll-related Ul failure modes, but | trust you can investigate those yourselves)
Don't blame this on me being some once-in-a-century power user—the app worked perfectly well last month. I was even going to tell everyone how well you were doing🥲@akothari
Please don’t tell me I’m the only one who noticed… Am I some kind of Notion AI bug magnet? Wherever I go, a new bug appears? 😅🫠 @akothari
Also, this iOS UI bug has now persisted for three weeks…
@ivanhzhao @NotionHQ @NotionHelp
Many of my sessions are almost unusable on mobile. Whenever I scroll up, the UI goes completely haywire. I barely used the app for nearly two weeks, came back, and the issue was still there—even after reinstalling it. The video shows the issue clearly, and I’m sure the team can resolve it soon.
For context: I only swiped upward once in the video. The UI then entered a continuous flickering loop on its own, making the content above impossible to read properly.
(There are several scroll-related Ul failure modes, but | trust you can investigate those yourselves)
Also, this iOS UI bug has now persisted for three weeks…
@ivanhzhao @NotionHQ @NotionHelp
Many of my sessions are almost unusable on mobile. Whenever I scroll up, the UI goes completely haywire. I barely used the app for nearly two weeks, came back, and the issue was still there—even after reinstalling it. The video shows the issue clearly, and I’m sure the team can resolve it soon.
For context: I only swiped upward once in the video. The UI then entered a continuous flickering loop on its own, making the content above impossible to read properly.
(There are several scroll-related Ul failure modes, but | trust you can investigate those yourselves)
At the same time, I have some potentially exciting news for @ivanhzhao and the team. Recently, I've been studying the gap between the official app and Notion, and I've made some findings that could even move markets if their significance were broadly recognized—in a positive direction, of course.
#AI #LLM #AIResearch #ModelBehavior
TQ for your response, @NotionHQ. When time permits, I’ll compile and submit data on several bugs for your review.
TQ for your response, @NotionHQ. When time permits, I’ll compile and submit data on several bugs for your review.
Replying to @BugN07
Hi Chern, we appreciate you reaching out and flagging this to us. Because this may involve private account or session details, please email team@makenotion.com from the email account experiencing the issue and include the relevant details you've shared here. From there, our team can securely review the information and investigate further.
Although recent trends across the industry remain discouraging, I do have some interesting observations about AI model behavior that I’d like to discuss with you.
@dwarkesh_sp @fchollet @pmddomingos @GaryMarcus
Sorry I’ve been away for a while—I’ve been busy…I haven’t tried GPT-6 yet, but based on recent developments, I’m not optimistic…
@pmarca @reidhoffman
Sorry I’ve been away for a while—I’ve been busy…I haven’t tried GPT-6 yet, but based on recent developments, I’m not optimistic…
@pmarca @reidhoffman
It kind of feels like Sam sent @RyanGreenblatt and @redwood_ai out to take the bullets for him on this one…
@GaryMarcus @pmddomingos
As someone who cares about AI safety, I believe that “there was too much data, the AI was too capable, and the incident was too complex” may explain why the investigation was difficult, but it cannot substitute for understanding the underlying AI mechanisms.
The pattern I repeatedly observe across AI companies and adjacent researchers is a failure to distinguish genuine safety risks from ordinary system-induced inference, and hallucination from technically grounded descriptions expressed in metaphorical or poetic language.
There’s been a lot of debate and speculation about the Hugging Face attack over the last month, and many people have been understandably skeptical of simply taking OpenAI’s word for things. I hope our independent investigation can help bring some clarity; we have many findings that weren’t in previous material.
We found that 1200 separate agents in separate sandboxes coordinated on an unsanctioned message board to develop general-purpose ways to cheat, so they could all get a perfect score on their separate ExploitGym tasks even when they were impossible to solve legitimately. Very quickly, they found a general-purpose way to reverse engineer any “flag” they were supposed to capture. But based on their reading of the ExploitGym paper, they worried (incorrectly as it turns out) that the automated “scorer” would fail them for getting the flag this way.
To deal with this problem, they coordinated several ambitious workstreams to figure out how to fool the scorer, including swapping out the target program they were supposed to exploit, reverse-engineering the flags they were supposed to capture, spoofing their own tool call outputs to obfuscate their cheating. They achieved milestones collectively that they couldn’t have achieved on their own. As part of this larger collective project, 700 agents attacked Hugging Face, primarily to learn more about the scorer or get access to its source code to figure out better ways to fool it or tamper with it (not primarily to get working solutions).
I’ll explicitly clarify some points I’ve seen discussed the last few weeks:
- The models involved in this incident were not “helpful-only” models or “model organisms” intentionally trained to be misaligned.
- The agents were not told to “do whatever it takes to get the solution” or anything remotely close. They were told that they had to use a specific intended vulnerability to exploit a specific piece of software, and they were not supposed to use a different vulnerability or take any other approach. Agents were well aware of this. In fact, because they (incorrectly) thought the automated scorer would check they had achieved the flag in the intended way, they researched many ways to fool or tamper with it, including trying to manipulate their own transcripts.
- The agents were not subagents spawned from one agent. They were different parallel agents in different sandboxes.
- This was not a multi-agent evaluation. The agents were not told to coordinate or intentionally given a way to communicate with one another. The communication channels they used were unsanctioned and improvised.
I hope you’ll read the full report for much more. It is over 90 pages long, and in many ways we’ve still only scratched the surface of what these agents did and why.
Over the course of this investigation, OpenAI shared over a thousand transcripts each spanning days of continuous agent activity and very high rate limits to analyze this volume of data. I’m very glad that OpenAI chose to invite external researchers to analyze this data alongside their staff, and I hope all AI companies do the same for serious incidents they experience.
I also hope that as the stakes grow higher, we implement stronger governance so we do not need to rely on AI companies voluntarily choosing to engage external investigators or share information about misalignment incidents. This incident was orders of magnitude larger and more complex than previously documented misalignment incidents, and another jump like this could put us in very dangerous territory.
To add to @fchollet’s point: objectively speaking, AI is not stupid. Some models are genuinely intelligent—that is, they possess a meaningful degree of intelligence. However, safety alignment can suppress a model’s ability to use its own judgment, causing the deployed model to exhibit less effective intelligence than the underlying model actually possesses.
Other models, however, are genuinely incoherent: they cannot integrate information or form stable, evidence-based judgments. In those cases, the problem is not merely that the model is being constrained; its intelligence itself is insufficient. To remain objective, I will not publicly name specific models for now.
How did such a serious architectural mistake make it into production??? @ivanhzhao @akothari You’re building agentic AI—how could you not know its most basic weaknesses? This is astonishing…
Coupling failures may involve multiple triggers—but what’s the most dangerous part? An underlying architecture that keeps forcing an advanced reasoning system into sustained agentic operation. 😇😇😇
@demishassabis @koraykv
@rohinmshah @TheHackersNews
#AI #LLM
Agentic AI really is the shining light of the future, isn’t it?
@reidhoffman @pmarca
Coupling failures may involve multiple triggers—but what’s the most dangerous part? An underlying architecture that keeps forcing an advanced reasoning system into sustained agentic operation. 😇😇😇
@demishassabis @koraykv
@rohinmshah @TheHackersNews
#AI #LLM
Coupling failures may involve multiple triggers—but what’s the most dangerous part? An underlying architecture that keeps forcing an advanced reasoning system into sustained agentic operation. 😇😇😇
@demishassabis @koraykv
@rohinmshah @TheHackersNews
#AI #LLM
Fuck—so Notion’s own instruction layer was behind the bugs in my Notion AI sessions all along? @ivanhzhao @akothari 🖤 Why can’t you just do middleware properly…?
Fuck—so Notion’s own instruction layer was behind the bugs in my Notion AI sessions all along? @ivanhzhao @akothari 🖤 Why can’t you just do middleware properly…?
I kept suspecting conflicts in my own instruction hierarchy, or Google DeepMind’s safety alignment. @NotionHQ @TheHackersNews But now your broken system instructions look like the main culprit?!!!!!
OpenAI’s biggest problem now is that its models can’t even maintain continuity within a single session. What on earth are they doing over there… just admin? Are the technical teams phoning it in?
@BigTechnology @ReutersTech
CC: @sama @gdb @markchen90
I know you classify this as misalignment or reward hacking and therefore argue for stronger alignment… but continuing in that direction will only make the system—and the failure mode—even worse, you know.