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If you knew your friend was walking into a situation that could hurt them and said nothing, I'd seriously question what kind of friend you really are. Cause you certainly wouldn't be my friend.
To you, it seems like loyalty only matters when you have something to gain from it. Strawb and Rev supported you. They defended you when you faced criticism, including the backlash surrounding your AI VTuber rigging project. When people were questioning your intentions, attacking your character, and criticizing your work, you had people willing to stand beside you and give you the benefit of the doubt.
And that's what makes your attitude toward this situation so disappointing. You know what it's like to have people turn against you. You know what it's like to be publicly scrutinized and have your intentions questioned. Yet when people who supported you express that they feel deceived or betrayed, your response is essentially that they should've known better? Where's that same compassion and understanding you expected when you were the one facing criticism?
Let me clarify myself because apparently some of Leaflitās audience has a reading comprehension problem. I wasnāt taking her post about the āRules of the Internetā literally. Iām well aware those arenāt actual rules or laws, and I understood the sarcasm perfectly fine.
My criticism was directed at the mentality behind invoking those rules, particularly the idea that outdated internet culture should somehow dictate how people behave or respond to situations today.
Iāve been around the internet long enough to understand its history, and I recognize that internet culture has changed significantly over the years. What was considered normal on anonymous imageboards doesnāt necessarily apply to modern online communities.
My argument was never about whether those rules were legally binding. It was about why people continue using old internet culture to dismiss legitimate concerns about trust, deception, and accountability.
Leaflit, you do realize the so-called āRules of the Internetā were never actual rules, right? They originated from old internet culture, particularly 4chan and Anonymous, as a collection of memes, jokes, and observations about online behavior.
Nobody is obligated to follow them, and they certainly arenāt some universal moral code. The internet isnāt a lawless wasteland where accountability suddenly stops existing because somebody posted a funny list from 2006.
Just as Kirsche has said, and as Iāve repeatedly pointed out myself, the internet has changed. Weāre not living in the early 2000s anymore, when anonymity, trolling, and edgy humor dominated much of internet culture.
The internet today is a place where people build careers, establish professional relationships, form friendships, and develop communities. People invest their time, money, emotions, and trust into those relationships. What happens online can have very real consequences offline.
And thatās something I think Leaflit and others are overlooking. You canāt keep applying the mentality of the old internet to an environment that has fundamentally evolved. Those so-called āRules of the Internetā were never binding rules to begin with. They were memes reflecting a particular era of internet culture.
Anonymity is a right worth defending, but anonymity doesnāt give you immunity from accountability. You can protect your identity without deliberately deceiving people who have placed their trust in you.
The internet has grown up in many ways. Maybe itās time some of the people using it did too.
Leaflit, you do realize the so-called āRules of the Internetā were never actual rules, right? They originated from old internet culture, particularly 4chan and Anonymous, as a collection of memes, jokes, and observations about online behavior.
Nobody is obligated to follow them, and they certainly arenāt some universal moral code. The internet isnāt a lawless wasteland where accountability suddenly stops existing because somebody posted a funny list from 2006.
Just as Kirsche has said, and as Iāve repeatedly pointed out myself, the internet has changed. Weāre not living in the early 2000s anymore, when anonymity, trolling, and edgy humor dominated much of internet culture.
The internet today is a place where people build careers, establish professional relationships, form friendships, and develop communities. People invest their time, money, emotions, and trust into those relationships. What happens online can have very real consequences offline.
And thatās something I think Leaflit and others are overlooking. You canāt keep applying the mentality of the old internet to an environment that has fundamentally evolved. Those so-called āRules of the Internetā were never binding rules to begin with. They were memes reflecting a particular era of internet culture.
Anonymity is a right worth defending, but anonymity doesnāt give you immunity from accountability. You can protect your identity without deliberately deceiving people who have placed their trust in you.
The internet has grown up in many ways. Maybe itās time some of the people using it did too.
Kirsche, I agree with everything youāre saying, but thereās another point I think needs to be made. The people defending this behavior are setting a dangerous precedent without even realizing it. Theyāre essentially telling everyone that honesty and accountability are conditional upon whether they like you.
And thatās what bothers me the most. If youāre willing to excuse deception because someone shares your political beliefs, supports your favorite creators, or happens to be on your side, then you donāt actually have principles. You have loyalties.
Hereās the question these people should ask themselves: If someone they absolutely despised had done the exact same thing, would they still be defending it? If the answer is no, then their defense was never about what was right or wrong.
And thereās something else. When you dismiss the concerns of people who feel betrayed, youāre effectively teaching them that speaking up about dishonesty will get them more backlash than the person who deceived them. Thatās how you create an environment where people become afraid to call out wrongdoing.
You donāt have to hate Ember or demand he disappear from the internet to acknowledge that what happened was wrong. But you absolutely should be consistent about holding people accountable, regardless of whose side theyāre on.
Rest in peace, Sir Patrick Stewart. From Captain Picard to Professor X, you gave us more than unforgettable performancesāyou gave us wisdom to live by.
āIt is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.ā
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Thereās a saying: āHindsight is 20/20,ā and I think that applies perfectly here, Leaflit. Itās easy to sit there after everything comes out and say, āBro, it was so obvious!ā But having suspicions and actually knowing something for a fact are two completely different things.
What exactly did you expect these creators to do? Publicly accuse someone based on a gut feeling without concrete evidence? Because thatās how innocent people end up getting dragged through the mud. You canāt demand accountability while simultaneously criticizing people for not acting on unverified suspicions. Thatās not accountability. Thatās just being reckless.
I actually agree with you about creative freedom, and Iām pretty consistent about defending it myself. But hereās where I draw the distinction: Creative freedom doesnāt mean freedom from criticism. You have every right to write something disturbing, offensive, or morally questionable, just as I have every right to criticize the way itās written.
I love Berserk, itās my favorite manga series ever, and quite frankly the greatest story ever told in my opinion. It has sexual assault on a child, yet it does not glorify it, it doesnāt romanticize it, instead it shows the horrors of it cause itās a horrific thing to ever experience. I know this cause Iām a victim of it myself. So itās not that I mind dark and mature themes, itās all about execution.
Iām not really a fan of going after people for fiction. Iām consistent about this. I want creative freedom.
Iāve written DND campaigns with entire religious temples getting raped by opposing religions.
Iām not a fan of people going after the mushoku tensei and made in abyss authors either.
Youāre free to think itās weird I just think creative/expressive freedom is more important.
Trust me Juju, you should take the internet very seriously. You may think it's all full of laughs and memes right now. The dangerous thing about the internet is that you never truly know who's on the other side of that screen or what they're capable of doing. Some people aren't looking for a laugh or an argument. They're looking for vulnerabilities they can exploit. And what's even scarier is how easily online conflicts can spill into the real world. People have lost their jobs, had their families threatened, had their personal information exposed, and even faced physical danger because someone online decided to take things too far.
So you should take the internet very seriously.
People need to be watching Tectone's stream. What I'm hearing about Ember's book is seriously disturbing. Who the fuck writes what is allegedly a self-insert involving a minor being subjected to sexual violence, only to turn the story into a romance afterward? Fucking sick fuck.
So apparently a woman isn't allowed to feel uncomfortable about her experience with someone who was pretending to be a woman, because somehow other men were involved. Good to know where the priorities lie. Instead of acknowledging her feelings and concerns, people would rather mock her, dismiss her experience, and attack her character. You can criticize how this controversy was handled without invalidating someone's discomfort. Two things can be wrong at once. It's called having principles, which none of you clearly have.
Iāll say say this and then lay this drama to bed. Ember fucking lied, thatās the problem. Now do I think he deserves to be harassed and witch hunted for it? No, but he deserved to be criticized for it cause he hurt and fooled a lot of people. Which Iām glad he admitted it and apologized, but he needs to realize the ramifications. Iām not picking sides by the way, I could care less about this drama. Iām going back to making videos.
I honestly don't see anything wrong with what Maria is saying here. I agree harassing Ember is only going to make things worse. But there is no excuse for his actions, he should not have lied about his gender. He should have been honest to begin with. Cause all this shows is that you can't trust anyone and it makes you not really wanna have them in your closed group.
When you trust someone enough to let them into your personal life, confide in them, and consider them a friend, you expect a certain level of honesty in return. Discovering that someone deliberately misrepresented themselves can make you question every interaction you've ever had with them. So I understand Strawb's perspective and I don't blame her for overreacting. I don't care if the person in question defended them in the past. You do not lie to someone who is suppose to be your friend.
"Stop infighting"
Okay, do you dislike liars? Do you dislike men invading female spaces under false pretenses? Yeah? Good, that's the entire situation.
For the last 24 hours, strawb was dragged for questioning whether Ember was a biological man or not...Ember admitted they are a biological man on his own stream today.
"But Ember has been nice to you two". Sorry but I don't think it is nice to deceive people and befriend men and women under false pretenses (which includes some sexual dialogue Ember made, as well as some cases where women confided personal information to him under the assumption Ember was also a woman).
Nobody is criticizing Ember because he has a female vtuber model. Nobody is criticizing Ember because he has a voice changer. He is being criticized because he has actively misled his audience, and even friends, that he is a biological woman. While even, hypocritically, calling out trans people for doing the exact same thing.
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I might seem like an asshole right now when it comes to this, but nobody deserves a career simply because they're talented. You earn a career by, one, building something people actually care about; two, developing the skills and discipline necessary to compete in your industry; and three, understanding how to turn your abilities into profit.
And here's the thing: talent alone doesn't mean shit if you don't know what to do with it. There are thousands of incredibly talented people out there who never make a career out of their abilities. Not because they're necessarily bad at what they do, but because talent is only one part of the equation. You need consistency, adaptability, professionalism, and, most importantly, an understanding of your audience and the market you're trying to enter.
You have every right to pursue your passion, but passion doesn't guarantee a paycheck. If you genuinely want to make art your livelihood, then treat it like a profession instead of expecting the world to reward you simply for being talented. That's not disrespecting artists. That's recognizing the difference between having a skill and building a career.
Iām gonna give this a go. Also if you need to see my stuff I posted some examples of stuff I made.
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