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βScience is not determined by consensus.β
Therefore, life doesnβt begin at conception. πΏπΏπΏ
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Science is not determined by consensus. The medical consensus was also that the brain was irrelevant to thought, and it all happened in the heart.
People can be wrong in large groups
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I accept your forfeit. Thank you for finally conceding that your argument is toast.
Againβ¦
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You just changed the right under discussion.
I did not ask whether all humans have a right not to be killed. π₯΄
I asked whether all humans have a right to use another personβs body and organs against their will.
You answered:
βYes.β
Then immediately limited that bodily entitlement to unborn humans because they need a womb.
That is still:
YES β¦all humans possess the right
and
NO β¦only unborn humans actually possess the relevant bodily entitlement
You cannot repair the contradiction by swapping in a different right afterward.
So again:
Do born humans have a right to use another personβs body and organs against their will?
Yes or no. πΏ
βDid you ever have to make up your mind?β
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Yes.
Unborn humans need their motherβs womb for survival. Born humans do not.
The question was whether unique human DNA gives someone a right to use another personβs body and organs against their will.
His answer was:
βYes! During the pre-natal phase of the human life cycle!β
That matters because it concedes the entire disputed structure:
humans generally do not possess that bodily entitlement, but one class of humans supposedly does prenatally.
So when he later talks about βequal rights,β βhierarchy,β βautonomy,β or βhuman rights,β you can simply return to this.
He has already admitted the asymmetry.
Save it. Quote it. Use it every time the argument gets buried under rhetoric.
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Yes! During the pre-natal phase of the human life cycle!
Then by your rationale based on that question⦠Any human that is measurably human through DNA that was created at the moment of conception⦠Is deserving of human rights!
But you deny that for some of your irrational reason!
A hierarchy issue?
They needed seven premises to arrive at:
βOne organismβs autonomy does not include authority over another organism.β
Friend.
That is literally my position.
What happens if itβs applied it to both organisms? Consistency. Equality. Logic.
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Premises
1. Human sexual reproduction is the product of evolutionary processes that selected for internal fertilization and prolonged gestation within the female body as the means of producing offspring.
2. As a result of this evolved reproductive biology, successful fertilization after sexual activity normally initiates pregnancy: the temporary dependence of a new organism on the maternal body is the designed outcome of the system, not an accidental or external imposition.
3. Full bodily autonomy, exercised through consensual sexual activity, therefore already includes the biological possibility and natural consequence of pregnancy; the pregnancy is not something that occurs outside or against that autonomy, but as its evolved result.
4. From the moment of fertilization, the human zygote/embryo/fetus is a distinct, living human organism: it possesses its own unique genome, its own developmental program, and its own integrated biological processes that are not merely a part or tissue of the mother.
5. As an independent living organism, the fetus has its own bodily integrity and, by the same logic of bodily autonomy applied to any organism, a claim not to have its body deliberately destroyed.
6. The motherβs bodily autonomy, however extensive, does not extend to the right to end the existence of a separate organism that is already living inside her as the natural result of her prior exercise of autonomy.
7. Claiming that abortion is itself an exercise of bodily autonomy therefore involves a double inconsistency: (a) it treats as an unwanted external intrusion what evolution and oneβs own prior actions produced as the ordinary reproductive outcome, and (b) it asserts a right to destroy another organismβs body in the name of protecting oneβs own.
Conclusion:
The bodily-autonomy argument for abortion is self-defeating. Pregnancy is the evolved consequence of sexual autonomy already exercised; the fetus is a separate living organism with its own bodily integrity; and one organismβs autonomy does not include the authority to extinguish another. This is why the position rejects abortion.
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Since he is a groksucker, Iβm using grok to help me pour salt in his wounds.
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No. The conclusion does not follow.
Fallacies: equivocation in P2 (epistemic βconceptualizeβ vs. ontological dependence) and begging the question in P4 (presupposing the absolute mind whose necessity is at issue).
βYouβre here because you know Iβm rightβ is an incredible thing to put in your bio when your debate strategy is apparently declare victory before opening notifications. Apparently, when you lose a lot of arguments, preparation is everything.
βIf you stay ready, you ainβt got to get ready.β ~Bob the Drag Queen πππ
Another lonely Friday night, and guess whatβs on Jasonβs mind? Definitely something I wasnβt discussing.
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No one supports rape or assault, you trying to equate that to unwanted pregnancy is never going to work.
βThe same exact rights you enjoy for yourself.β
Perfect. π
Then the fetus has exactly what I have:
a right to life, but no automatic entitlement to another personβs blood, organs, tissue, or physiological functions against their will.
This dipshit keeps insisting on βequal rightsβ while quietly adding one extra right exclusively for pregnancy.
Thatβs not equality.
Thatβs the exception this coward still refuses to say with their full chest.
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It includes the same exact rights you enjoy for yourself.
The right to life.
Playing dumb to that is no argument. The moment the right to life threatens the hierarchy,
you abandon inherent rights and run to consensus, law, or preference
Thatβs a tell.
When they accidentally reveal theyβre in a cult. Oof.
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That just means those organizations drank the Kool-Aid. It doesnβt make those statements true. Reproductive care and abortion are oxymorons.
βI know enoughβ¦β
The catchphrase of the ignorant.
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I know enough here. Clancy planning invalidates any "psychosis" defense. Her calm coherent chat with her husband mid murder invalidates any psychosis defense. Shes a conniving nurse who tried to fake the perfect murders. Her "suicide" attempts a joke.
Instead of answering my simple question, they always run away and escape into emotional rhetoric.
βShould?β Meaning human rights βshouldβ have the ability to use another personβs body and organs against their will. Therefore, you just admitted that human rights do NOT include the ability to use another personβs body and organs against their will. Thanks for playing.
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Human rights certainty should mean women cant kill their kids...wherever that child is located.
βWhen cat closes a door, cat always opens a window β¦then the fucker escapes.β
i have always vented on here about people who piss me off irl but i have never used anyones name so literally no one knows who tf i am talking about
but i swear to cat i hear one more word about me telling the truth about someone βpubliclyβ despite it being anonymous i will just start using actual names
if i am going to be in trouble for something i might as well actually do what Iβm being punished for π€·ββοΈ
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I'm sorry we never got a chance to meet, but getting this note from Dolly really had a an impact on me. She definitely didn't have to take the time to do it. Even for a kid who mostly listened to rap music, she was an icon. A superstar in every sense. Rest easy Dolly. And thank you for the kind words.
I dog-walked a Cat into explicitly admitting that pregnancy is the exception they want to the ordinary rule against forced internal bodily support.
At this point, all one needs to do is reject their plea for an exception. My answer is βNO.β
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The βIf Iβ hypotheticals are not the basis or structure of my arguments. They are your reframing.
My claim is narrower and rooted in biology, not a conditional you invented: A human organism begins at fertilization through the parentsβ voluntary act. From that moment its continued existence and species-typical development require remaining inside the only environment nature designed for that stage of its life cycleβthe motherβs body.
That is not an arbitrary exception to a general rule. It is the natural process of human gestation.
Ending that organismβs life by removing it from the only place it can continue is not equivalent to refusing to donate a kidney to an already-born person no longer in that developmental stage.
Causation, dependency, parenthood, and the fact that death follows gain their moral weight from that continuous, species-specific developmental relationship.
You treat the natural process as a circular add-on. It is why the analogy to forced organ use fails.
Is pregnancy the morally relevant exception to the ordinary rule against forced internal bodily support? Yes, because pregnancy is the natural continuation of the human organism you helped create, not a random medical attachment of one independent person to another.
No, well, that actually proves my distinction. π€
A house is property external to your body. A uterus is part of a personβs body.
Evicting someone from a house withdraws access to property.
Ending gestation withdraws access to another personβs organs and physiological functions.
Those are not the same category.
And their analogy still quietly assumes the disputed point: that a fetus has a right to remain inside someoneβs body in the first place. π₯΄
They keep replacing bodily entitlement with property analogies because the property version is easier to defend.
But pregnancy is not tenancy.
Your uterus is not a rental unit.
The special plea remains: they want one human to have a right to another personβs internal body that no born human ordinarily has.
The answer is still βNO.β
























