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Let me tell you a fundamental truth about aviation,the sky doesn't check your ID card and severe icing doesn't care about your gender.
Nathalia had 1300 flight hours,multiple commercial ratings,cleared rigorous FAA check rides and was a certified flight instructor at just 20 years old.
She could fly a plane before she even got a driver's license!!!
Aviation is a strict system of extreme competence,when a crisis hit at that altitude you're in a war with both nature and physics and the controls respond to skill not gender.
People need to stop using horrific tragedy to push outdated bias.
Respect the wings she earned.
You're a copilot in a cockpit. Your plane is at a frightening downward angle in a storm. You're approaching the ground at breakneck speed. There's nothing you or your pilot can do with the plane, and you know it, so you do the only thing you can - you stay in contact with the tower and you relay technical info right until the bitter end, handling things utterly professionally despite the overwhelming terror of the situation, as the earth rushes up to meet you...
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I am absolutely sickened by the horrendous comments directed at this heroic young woman who did her duty to the very end.
She wasn’t even the Pilot in Command (PIC). Her job at that time was handling all the comms. The male pilot at the controls had already realized the graveness of the situation and had started praying as there was nothing either of them could do to save the aircraft.
Do not listen to the cockpit audio of her last minutes, please. It should not even have been made public.
Nathalia Filgueiras did her duty under the absolute worst of circumstances. She relayed factual information right up until impact while shoulder-rolling at 60° bank at 600 MPH. The information will be invaluable in the investigation.
Even as she knew her short but amazing 20 years of life were about to end, she devoted those last seconds to saving future lives by providing critical information to ground control that will inevitably save lives in the future by preventing these types of crashes. The very definition of Heroism. At only 20 years old. 😭💔🕯️
Please keep her, her family and the other crash victims in your prayers. 💔😭😢🙏
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She was faultless.
Kept her composure as best as she could during the ultimate of extreme situations and reported instrumentation and attitude of a soon to be lost aircraft.
The pilot apparently was apparently praying.
She did the best she could to keep us informed and I don't blame her at all for the last emotions.
Understandable.
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Long post worth the read. I have a close friend who flies private jets. He flew Lear 60 for over 15 years and now flies a Gulfstream. This is a copy and paste of his response to me asking him if he thought Ice was the issue.
“We always fly in ridiculous cold temperatures.”
“Usually you get the bad ice when the temperatures are like 0 to negative 20. Believe it or not, there's a point where it gets too cold for ice. At negative 40, you pretty much can't get ice. Besides that, the airplane is equipped with hot wings and hot tail.”
“I flew the Lear 60 for like 15 years. It's a no joke airplane and probably the most dangerous airplane I've ever flown. It has a super critical wing. The airflow has to be perfect. When it gets into rough air and turbulence, it will easily stall. It has stalled on me at 41,000 feet just because we got into some turbulence. (On the way to Palm Beach as a matter of fact. ) we recovered and got her flying again around 30,000 ft. Scary
But here's the problem. This airplane has a terrible coffin corner. (At high altitudes) what that means is, you fly in a really narrow window where if you lose 20 knots, it stalls. And if you gain 20 knots, it goes into overspeed. The air goes supersonic over the wing and it goes into a high speed stall, or worse, a Mach tuck.
So if you stall, the normal recovery is to push the yoke forward to lower the nose and gain air speed again. At low altitude, you can push really hard and recover quickly. But in the 60... if you push hard, it will gain air speed and go into a high speed stall, it doesn't take much. It's very sensitive. The 60 has super short wings that don't make much lift. So then you high speed stall, and the computer is yelling at you... OVERSPEED! So then you pull back and enter a low speed stall. And you go back and forth trying to keep it in the air speed window.
This whole thing is pretty scary. And you should recover basically by using your finger tips using super small corrections. You can't over do it. If you try to muscle the recovery, she gets mad and will become unrecoverable. If she enters a mach tuck. You're done.”
“I taught the Lear 60 to other pilots and mentored them. I told them... this airplane has a soul and it's trying to kill you. Do not ever try to top the weather. Don't go over a thunderstorm. Go around it. If it means a half hour longer, then do it. Going over the thunderstorm will go into turbulence that you might not recover from.
These pilots went right over a thunderstorm. I think it stalled which caused them to drop down into the thunderstorm and ended up in mach tuck. They picked up so much speed that it ripped off the horizontal stabilizer. At that point... chuck Yeager can't fix it.
These same pilots did something similar a couple months ago. ATC got mad at them. They poked the bear one too many times.
This is not a beginner airplane. The Gulfstream would never do this. It has HUGE margins of error and won't stall like that. But then again... it's got HUGE wings. It's a pussy cat.
The Gulfstream is like driving a 4 wheeler. The Lear 60 is like riding a uni cycle.”
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Well put. Best take yet. And maybe should be the last take on this sad affair.
At the end of the day, the pilots screwed up and entered the gauntlet of the storm systems, which cost a family and their friend's lives. People can debate DEI or not.
People can talk about the "heroics" of the co-pilot's communications... but this wouldn't have happened if they had fully diverted away from the storm system, instead of trying to cut through a corridor to the Bahamas.
The arrogance of the flight crew to think that a Learjet, known for ice-related aerodynamic problems, can handle a Floridian unpredictable mess of storms is just crazy. Storms grow rapidly inside the system and can easily tear a plane like a Learjet apart. As soon as she said "clear light ice," that was already inching close to disaster... at that point it should have been a clear emergency scenario even before entering the final storm cell.
If they had followed the rule of maintaining at least 20 miles from the storm's edge, they could have been fine, just arrived late.
The male pilot had non-continuous employment, and his actual total experience is questionable. The female young co-pilot was only 20... depth of experience is just not a "thing" at that age.
That decision to enter that storm system is what killed innocent lives, and no amount of "glazing" the female pilot, or blaming the male pilot, changes that. It was still a joint decision by the flight crew.
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At the end of the day, the pilots screwed up and entered the gauntlet of the storm systems, which cost a family and their friend's lives. People can debate DEI or not.
People can talk about the "heroics" of the co-pilot's communications... but this wouldn't have happened if they had fully diverted away from the storm system, instead of trying to cut through a corridor to the Bahamas.
The arrogance of the flight crew to think that a Learjet, known for ice-related aerodynamic problems, can handle a Floridian unpredictable mess of storms is just crazy. Storms grow rapidly inside the system and can easily tear a plane like a Learjet apart. As soon as she said "clear light ice," that was already inching close to disaster... at that point it should have been a clear emergency scenario even before entering the final storm cell.
If they had followed the rule of maintaining at least 20 miles from the storm's edge, they could have been fine, just arrived late.
The male pilot had non-continuous employment, and his actual total experience is questionable. The female young co-pilot was only 20... depth of experience is just not a "thing" at that age.
That decision to enter that storm system is what killed innocent lives, and no amount of "glazing" the female pilot, or blaming the male pilot, changes that. It was still a joint decision by the flight crew.
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This. Fucking this. The fact that we know all of this information was because she was reading shit out until the last.
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It's astonishingly frequent for rich dentists to load up their entire family in a private plane and wipe out their entire bloodline. This isn't what happened today - Learjets are a whole new price tier *and* required skills tier. The pilot was 55-year old Jeff Gregory, and the co-pilot was 20 year old Nathalia Gadelha Filgueiras. Thus they were professional charter pilots, and as one would expect, the young newbie was flying as co-pilot, with the very experienced older pilot being pilot-in-command.
Pilot-in-command means "pilot in command." The co-pilot does not make decisions for navigation or anything else; they may be instructed to assist the pilot in those things; such as making radio calls to ATC to route around storms and such, but the pilot in command is the one flying the plane and making the decisions. The buck stops with him.
I've said this before when the usual shitbags come slithering out of their holes after a disaster like this, but the shameless blood libel has never been more egregious or disgusting.
Fuck all of you shameless grifting bastards. God damn you all to hell.
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Writing this in my personal capacity, but I have been flying these types of aircraft for more than 20 years, with over 8,000 hours, and have reasonable familiarity with how the charter world operates. I feel compelled to post after seeing commentary about the Lear 60 crash, from missile strikes to DEI to critiquing this poor woman’s final radio calls.
That last part is what I find most troubling. She was the second-in-command (SIC), and while she was empowered to point out mistakes as part of good crew resource management, she was doing her job, communicating with ATC right to the end in a terrifying situation. She likely knew before many of those calls that she was going to die. I have heard final calls from friends, from military pilots with thousands of hours in fighter aircraft, and they are just as heartbreaking because they know the end is approaching.
I understand the public interest given the footage and audio. But you do not know the aircraft’s maintenance history, whether there was a structural failure, if any failure was induced by turbulence, overspeed, or overcontrol, or everything happening in that cockpit. I am sure weather will be part of the investigation, but beyond that, it is speculation. The charter industry routinely hires commercial pilots very early in their careers to gain experience alongside an ATP-qualified captain before they move up to the airlines. She would still have the appropriate training, qualifications, and checkouts by an FAA examiner or designee.
Let people investigate, learn, and share the facts. Be respectful to those who perished and the families who carry their memories. God bless them and their loved ones.
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I have refrained from statement on this - probably for my own good.
However, I think we've got enough information to call out the nonsense that is floating around.
First, DEI hire - nope. That girl made flying her life - as I see among only the most passionate pilots. My dad being one of them.
Her boyfriend was also a pilot - both of them were absolutely in love with flying.
Now, what seemed to have happened - as I was watching the weather most of the day.
First, we get pretty bad storms, I have screen shots of ceilings at FL300 - 30,000ft - manageable. You fly over them.
Then, we get a single cell that rapidly - faster than I've noticed (abnormal, but not recordbreaking)- grows in size from low pressure and heat below go from 30,000ft to 48,000ft in under ~11 minutes.
So imagine this, you're flying - you're 20-30 minutes from destination and descending is part of the flight plan, at radio check in you're scheduled to be 6,000ft above any weather issues in roughly 9 minutes. After 5 minutes, you're 3,000ft above weather issues, by one minute out, you realize safety margin is rapidly shrinking and request climb, which is granted. By the the time you're over it, you're in the middle of it - where any pilot would avoid any sharp maneuvering mid storm.
All things considered here, I would've loved to see them avoid the entire cell all together, they did ask for a better ride (meaning a different route) - however in the minutes leading up to the loss of control, everything "seemed" avoidable and within safe operating capacities.
Mind you, this is from where I sit. Of course more data will come out and the @NTSB has been on point with their discovery in the past.
Some things to keep in mind:
The information provided here is loose observation, not data science from where I sit - just an aviation expert's 30 minute take on what may have happened.
Weather Radar is often delayed - there is no definitive way of being precise in time or type for weather - which is why tolerances exist.
Your pilots, both of them, worked for an ARG/US rated company - well audited, regularly, for safety. Tragic, close to home, and I know the operation behind it - they have always done a wonderful job.
FWIW - I was in the cockpit at 12 and several times before I even drove a car.
Naturally, people will always bring up the safety in flying private versus commercial - I'll revitalize the metrics that I have kept track of throughout the years and publish that in the coming days.
