![Q: And why did you subsequently leave OpenAI to join Anthropic? MS. MEHTA: [OpenAI confidentiality caution] but you can answer. THE WITNESS: When I was in sort of the last couple of months of my time at Anthropic, there were multiple instances where the safety team, which was the team that I was on, along with the other Anthropic cofounders, and the executive team, which at the time was led by Sam Altman, would disagree about our company strategy, and in particular, we felt that safety wasn't really considered to be a first-class priority. And I think there are many reasons that you could reasonably believe that, but we all believed that safety was the most important thing, which is not very surprising, given the team that we were on. And the other seven cofounders all decided to leave together. I wasn't involved in those discussions or decisions, and so they -- they sort of all left together. And before I left, Mira Murati, who, at the time, was, I believe, the CTO of the company…](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HWo2HnCXMAAiQGI.png?name=small&format=webp)
ALT Q: And why did you subsequently leave OpenAI to join Anthropic? MS. MEHTA: [OpenAI confidentiality caution] but you can answer. THE WITNESS: When I was in sort of the last couple of months of my time at Anthropic, there were multiple instances where the safety team, which was the team that I was on, along with the other Anthropic cofounders, and the executive team, which at the time was led by Sam Altman, would disagree about our company strategy, and in particular, we felt that safety wasn't really considered to be a first-class priority. And I think there are many reasons that you could reasonably believe that, but we all believed that safety was the most important thing, which is not very surprising, given the team that we were on. And the other seven cofounders all decided to leave together. I wasn't involved in those discussions or decisions, and so they -- they sort of all left together. And before I left, Mira Murati, who, at the time, was, I believe, the CTO of the company…
![…offered for me to become the leader for the safety team, which, at the time, was headless because all the Anthropic cofounders, with the exception of me and Tom Brown, were safety team leads, and the only other one was Paul Christiano, who also decided to leave and start his own company. And that was actually a very difficult decision for me to make, whether I should stay and try to keep the torch of safety burning at OpenAI, or leave [audio interruption] and start from zero and work with these people, who I had … trusted very, very deeply, but … were starting with no funding and no code … and no resources, no real reputation… And, ultimately, I made the decision to leave because I had a conversation with one of the founders of Open Philanthropy project, who I deeply trusted, and he made an analogy …: when you're dating someone, either you can go for the person who looks good on paper or you can go for the person who you have chemistry with. And that just immediately made it became…](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HWo2HnBWAAABv2_.png?name=small&format=webp)
ALT …offered for me to become the leader for the safety team, which, at the time, was headless because all the Anthropic cofounders, with the exception of me and Tom Brown, were safety team leads, and the only other one was Paul Christiano, who also decided to leave and start his own company. And that was actually a very difficult decision for me to make, whether I should stay and try to keep the torch of safety burning at OpenAI, or leave [audio interruption] and start from zero and work with these people, who I had … trusted very, very deeply, but … were starting with no funding and no code … and no resources, no real reputation… And, ultimately, I made the decision to leave because I had a conversation with one of the founders of Open Philanthropy project, who I deeply trusted, and he made an analogy …: when you're dating someone, either you can go for the person who looks good on paper or you can go for the person who you have chemistry with. And that just immediately made it became…

ALT …clear that I wanted to go to Anthropic and work with all these people who I really loved working with and deeply, deeply trusted, instead of playing a political game for the next n years of my career. And on top of that, I also had a conversation with Yann LeCun, who Dario had hired but who hadn't started working at OpenAI yet, and I told him, If you come to this company and you become the lead of the safety team, you're going to be playing a political game. You're not necessarily going to get to focus on the safety research that you're dedicated to doing. Are you okay with that? And it was because he said yes that I felt comfortable sort of following my heart and going to Anthropic. BY MR. MILLER: Q: Are you -- withdrawn. Do you consider yourself a cofounder of Anthropic? MS. MEHTA: Objection to the form. THE WITNESS: So from a corporate governance standpoint, I am not a cofounder of Anthropic. However, between me and the other cofounders, de facto, I am, and I've played that…






























