Tradition is the Enemy of Progress

You can't live debate crazy, they will always win. Live debate is just performance art. Somebody will make some new claim nobody has heard of before, and it'll be impossible to refute without having the time to go research what they just said. "Samuelsson's study from late 2021 proves you wrong". What study? I dunno, I just made it up. The only rational debate is via the written word. One side writes something, somebody else rebuts point by point, and so on. But for the most part, podcasts are for people who can't (or don't) read, so it's not going to happen for that audience. RFK and Rogan start with rejecting science, so there's really no way their points can be rebutted. If you only speak Japanese, you can't talk to somebody who only speaks French. This is especially a problem when the audience doesn't understand the basics of science, who'll believe that science is what RFK and Rogan claim it is. No, no, I don't mean you should believe scientists or a consensus (they've proven untrustworthy). I mean the science itself. In the end, the winner of the live debate isn't the one who is best at facts, but the one most willing to misrepresent facts. And that's RFK and Rogan. They will win any live debate. Serious debate is written, live debates is for fools (Rogan's audience).