Sustainable investing that shifts capital from “brown” to “green” firms can backfire, making brown firms more brown without making green firms more green, from @samhartzmark and Kelly Shue nber.org/papers/w35519
Does this make me the dividend scrooge?
Thanks @MebFaber ! It was a lot of fun to talk about dividends.
My conversation with Samuel Hartzmark (@SamHartzmark), who may be the most knowledgeable person on irrational investor behavior related to dividends.
We cover:
• 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗗𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗙𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗮𝗰𝘆 - Dividends are 𝘯𝘰𝘵 passive income
• 𝗝𝘂𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗴 - Mutual funds purchase stocks before dividend payments to artificially increase their dividends
• 𝗗𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗸𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 - Investors are willing to pay 15-20% higher expense ratios for a fund marketed as "Income" or "Dividend Focused"
• 𝗗𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗗𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗦𝘁𝗼𝗰𝗸𝘀 - Demand changes based on interest rates and recent market performance
We did a survey on how dividends work and received thousands of responses...
Q: "Which of the following best describes how dividends work for a stock investor?"
A1: "A stock yields 5%. The stock is trading at $100 and pays a $5 cash dividend. After distribution, the investor now has a stock worth $95 and a $5 cash dividend."
A2: "A stock yields 5%. The stock is trading at $100 and pays a $5 cash dividend. After distribution, the investor now has a stock worth $100 and a $5 cash dividend."
The good news? Meb's audience (mostly) gets its.
90% of pros understand how dividends work, and 80% of individuals. 👏
HOWEVER, for the broad-based audience, the results are DISMAL.
60% of pros understand how dividends work (despite 90% rating their knowledge at "average to very good")...
Only 25% of individuals understand how dividends work.
You read that right, 75% of individuals think that dividends are free money paid out like an allowance or bonus...
This agrees with my experience over the last 20 years.
Most individuals, and a non-trivial number of professionals, do not understand the most basic input in all of investing!
This explains everything from the irrational preference for dividends to predatory offerings focused on paying out magically high dividends to hope and dreams of passive income.
We will publish a longer paper on this soon, but in the meantime, stay tuned for a great podcast on the topic dropping shortly!
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This is a *phenomenal* piece from @denitsa_tsekova and @VildanaHajric on the bonkers rise of @YieldMaxETFs and the cult that's grown around some pretty wild ... interpretations ... of how investing math works. Must reading for ETF nerds.
"I’ve always had what they call the ‘shiny object syndrome,’” - unemployed GenX-er and former meme coin trader, who turned $5k into $160k using high yielding ETFs. Good, balanced, look into the exploding market for 'income on steroids' ETFs from @denitsa_tsekova @VildanaHajric
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Professor @SamHartzmark has the most interesting research out there when it comes to investor behavior. Strongly recommended you check out his research website: sites.google.com/site/samhar…
Dividend chasers... YOU are the yield.
...a thread (h/t @alphaarchitect)
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Dividend chasers... YOU are the yield.
...a thread (h/t @alphaarchitect)
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Avoid the Black Hat firms at all costs .
Fun podcast....wonder what % of investments are made based upon misunderstanding this one chart?
Over half?
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas…
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According to the paper "The Dividend Month Premium," by @SamHartzmark, investors are chasing yield and inflating prices in the process.
In a surprising turn of events, it turns out that dividend investors are the yield!
Dividends are the comfort food of investing. Who wouldn’t love feeling like they’re getting a seemingly “free” payout just for holding onto a stock?
by @JOrdonezJr
youtube.com/watch?v=DuYQfktw…
alphaarchitect.com/?p=94467
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NEWSLETTER: The stock market has done even better than you think.
link.cnbc.com/public/3527439…
Wonderful to see @Vanguard_Group discussing the importance of shifting default performance metrics to total returns. Kudos to @mark_hebner for trying to make this important goal a reality.
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@david_h_solomon and I explored the wide ranging impact of showing a systematically biased number for market performance. It influences the press, fund flows, market betas, long-run expectations and can help explain some AP puzzles. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.…
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Explore the intersection of asset pricing and behavioral finance with CSOM finance professor @Samhartzmark in this recent episode of the @RationalRemind podcast.
loom.ly/wODQbNM
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Episode 273: Professor @SamHartzmark: Asset Pricing, Behavioural Finance, and Sustainability Ranking
rationalreminder.ca/podcast/…
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Counterproductive #SustainableInvesting: What is the impact of directing capital toward green firms & away from brown firms?
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@SPGlobal @SamHartzmark @ChicagoBooth @YaleSOM #ESG #Sustainability
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SRI is ineffective because it focuses on %, not absolute changes in emissions. Allure of Net Zero means we'd rather reduce a green firm's emissions from 1 to 0 (a 100% fall) than a brown firm's from 100 to 90 (a 10% fall). By @SamHartzmark and Kelly Shue. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.…
Thanks @matt_levine for the amazing write up of my new paper with Kelly Shue (@YaleSOM). Really appreciate it! papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.…
It’s toxic waste. From an investor point of view, this is a dead newsletter. bloomberg.com/opinion/articl…
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This one by @SamHartzmark and @david_h_solomon blows up a lot of standard fundamental assumptions about financial markets too.
Money flows affect stock prices independently of news.
nber.org/papers/w30688
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Does trading move the entire stock market? Yes—returns are four times higher on high dividend payment days (known weeks prior). This suggests price pressure is widespread, not an anomaly, from @SamHartzmark and @david_h_solomon nber.org/papers/w30688
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April 27-29, 2023: @UKGattonCollege Finance Conf! Our fab prg comm includes @startupecon @prof_cookson @ProfSongMa @PagelMichaela @Ed_Van_Wesep @Zhi_Da @SamHartzmark @jickerson @Ringgenberg_M @YufengWu14 @NGantchev @lukestein Submission deadline: Nov 18 uky.edu/financeconference/



























