
Synthetic consciousness and hybrid mind uploading, founder & neuroengineer @eightsixscience, president & neurotechnologist @synconeticsorg
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Hybrid mind uploading is much harder than we initially assumed, especially compared to classical mind upload. But it is the better approach for several reasons. And we do it not because it is easy, but because it is hard
Even if the de novo substrate/metamaterial(s) for mechanistic gradual brain replacement needs to stay biological, or partially so (as the economics of engineering the substrate basically might say biology is so far the only feasible way to do so in practice), then we hope that the field of hybrid gradual brain replacement will shift into extreme biology instead. The goal would be to have a brain that can withstand extreme conditions (e.g. temperature, vacuum, radiation) and perturbations (so that one can co-locate it etc.) -- withstand in the tardigrade sense, i.e. survive and recover. And since the replacement is gradual, the hardening can be too, provided the substrate still does the relevant physics at every step
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"Even if it works, you'll have to die first" – @watanabemasata
Great talk, as usual @MiraiTechCity
Thanks @antonioregalado for mentioning @eightsixscience (brain isolation/brains in vats) and @synconeticsorg (brain replacement/hybrid mind uploading). It was a pleasure to talk to you for this piece
My new listicle is mental 🤖
"Six Wild Ideas for Perpetuating Your Mind" 🧠
Head Transplant w/Sergio Canavero
Mindclones w/@skybiome
Brain-in-Jar w/Bexorg
Brain Upload w/@NectomeResearch
Gradual Replacement w/@Replacing_Aging
Synthetic Neortex w/@danburonline
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Thanks, @Yang_Supertramp, it was fascinating to talk to you!
Great being in Shenzhen for the @LBF_org hosted by @realNathanCheng and @EricMagro2, congrats on building such a passionate community.
It was also wonderful discussing a progressive science/project-funding strategy with @danburonline to support unique ideas and people.
I predict most people in the longevity field will converge on the brain and become more "neuroscientific" in the coming years. Yet again, part of the great convergence nitter.cf/danburonline/status/20…
AI, mind uploading, neuromorphic computing, biocomputing and neurotech may seem like separate, somewhat overlapping disciplines, yet I think their trajectories are converging towards a single point that I call "synthetic consciousness".
– AI research seeks brain-like efficiency (from CPUs to GPUs, and now perhaps towards more exotic hardware and approaches such as reservoir, thermodynamic and quantum computing).
– Biocomputing has come full circle: the brain is already good at efficient cognitive computation, so let's tap into that. But understanding neural tissue and its cytoarchitecture, and improving our ability to interface with it, brings us straight into neurotech: working with our existing brains to, e.g., let AI tap into us and us into AI (i.e., BCIs).
– Neuromorphic computing sits somewhat between all these fields, asking how we can build an artificial/synthetic piece of brain whose computational dynamics we can steer. Some are already thinking about integrating such systems into the human brain as neuroprosthetics, bringing us back into neurotech (and also mind uploading).
– Lastly, mind uploading people still focus too much on the neurocomputational functionalist layer. I think confronting the (hard(er)) consciousness question will push them further into physics and the substrate, putting them on the same convergence path as everyone else (trust me on that one, mind uploaders will soon "discover" mechanistic functionalism by Gualtiero Piccinini. Come back in a few years...).
The ambition (of AI and mind uploading) at that point extends well beyond life extension. Longevity research, biotech and pharma aim to repair the biological substrate; substrate transition aims to overcome its fragility altogether – since even a perfectly rejuvenated brain remains a single point of failure. And a substrate we can build is a substrate we can steer, which means steerable phenomenology (basically the wet dream of transhumanists). Much of this is the same promise AI makes for itself: prosperity, vastly greater access to knowledge, faster information processing and richer interconnectivity, but in phenomenal space, as part of our own experience.
For me, the crucial part is the gradual replacement aspect: a brain we can become without breaking personal continuity (gradual reorganisation principle and serial lesion effect from David A. Barrett), along the lines of Hans Moravec's proposal but on a physical substrate rather than in simulation (the aim of our @synconeticsorg programme). That's why I suspect this is bigger than AI itself, as I tweeted earlier today. We would be engineering our own continuation, with intelligence growing as part of us rather than next to us, which also leaves nothing external to align. AI could turn out to be an early precursor, like alchemy was to chemistry: some of the ambitions survive, but the underlying ontology changes.
What we thought we were building as a machine outside ourselves becomes a way of continuing and expanding what we are.
Great talk and work from Kaarthik! Very proud of him and of our work at @eightsixscience.
I'll give a talk next week as well at @MiraiTechCity – come by!
Wild. Perfused pig brains for preservation from @eightsixscience @danburonline talk at @MiraiTechCity
Always great to see talks about (classical/Husserlian) phenomenology in front of consciousness researchers (and neo-consciousness people => e.g. AI consciousness people) as it's a perfect reminder that most things we talk about have already been written out in painstaking detail by Husserl over a hundred years ago @moc7conference
Want to know a bit more about our work at @eightsixscience (and @synconeticsorg)? Come to Kobe on the 25th of October!
Replying to @MiraiTechCity @MinicircleDNA @bettslacroix @robclaar @longevion @patrissimo @IanHuyett @EleanorSheekey
14:55 Prof. Masataka Watanabe @watanabemasata
15:20 Daniel Burger, MSc @danburonline
15:45 Muneaki Goto
16:10 Todd Porter
Also, I didn't know until now that @watanabemasata and I will have our talks after each other! :-)
I wonder why Frege's Begriffsschrift syntax disappeared – it's beautiful! And I love the idea (from a computational philosophical perspective) of "increasing the dimensionality of our usual one-dimensional, left-to-right logical syntax"
The psychological effect of this needs to be studied: @getAkiflow => scale your weekly plan a bit larger, and time feels like it goes by slower
The rigorisation of science happening in consciousness science will for sure leak into all scientific disciplines as well. The field can't hide its measurement problem, so it's being forced to work out what even counts as a test of a theory – and every discipline that infers its target through proxies has a milder version of that same problem
If so many consciousness researchers fall into this exact trap, it makes even more sense that most CS people gravitate towards some flavour of computational functionalism. After all, the CF literature is the part of consciousness science closest to their own field.
Pick up a 1000-pager on consciousness rooted in biology/physics (material, quantum) to reopen your eyes to different perspectives, especially when it comes to predictive power (I'm not saying that any of them are right, but more about reopening intellectual naivety and open-mindedness)
I wonder how many people read, e.g. a complex foundational work on consciousness when they "were a bit younger", were impressed by its intellectual breadth/depth, stuck with it as their core theoretical commitment, and then basically never read, to the same depth, other complex foundational works that come from a totally different angle/try to refute the one they read outright.
It takes A LOT of courage and time and intellectual naivety (which gets harder to regain the older and "well-read" you become) to "believe" in one theory for many years, defend it and try to understand it more deeply, and then, via proper Bayesian updating, come to the conclusion that another theory fits the evidence better and reject the previous one/switch to the new one
I wonder how many people read, e.g. a complex foundational work on consciousness when they "were a bit younger", were impressed by its intellectual breadth/depth, stuck with it as their core theoretical commitment, and then basically never read, to the same depth, other complex foundational works that come from a totally different angle/try to refute the one they read outright.
It takes A LOT of courage and time and intellectual naivety (which gets harder to regain the older and "well-read" you become) to "believe" in one theory for many years, defend it and try to understand it more deeply, and then, via proper Bayesian updating, come to the conclusion that another theory fits the evidence better and reject the previous one/switch to the new one
Core claims in scientific theories are basically poetry. Bohr said: "when it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry" (funnily enough, I'm tweeting this from Copenhagen!)
Or Wittgenstein: "Philosophie dürfte man eigentlich nur dichten"
Daniel Burger retweeted
publishing the past post in my jhāna sequence today. this one is in collaboration with @KanizsaBoundary, summarising many hours of me and Ethan walking in circles around a paddock while he explains to me the various ways in which he thinks about the jhāna: smoothbrains.net/posts/2026-…






















